1
00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:48,389
[Music]

2
00:01:25,590 --> 00:00:49,770
so

3
00:01:31,109 --> 00:01:28,550
what is up everybody

4
00:01:33,190 --> 00:01:31,119
today we have a very special guest his

5
00:01:36,390 --> 00:01:33,200
name is john ramirez you might remember

6
00:01:37,270 --> 00:01:36,400
him from uh this very show not very long

7
00:01:40,149 --> 00:01:37,280
ago

8
00:01:42,630 --> 00:01:40,159
he was a fantastic guest um i think he

9
00:01:46,310 --> 00:01:42,640
kind of blew the doors down ufology and

10
00:01:48,550 --> 00:01:46,320
ufo twitter uh with his um

11
00:01:50,389 --> 00:01:48,560
just untappable knowledge of of

12
00:01:52,149 --> 00:01:50,399
everything from the inner workings of

13
00:01:53,109 --> 00:01:52,159
the government and how the void process

14
00:01:55,830 --> 00:01:53,119
works

15
00:01:57,510 --> 00:01:55,840
and um he has

16
00:02:00,149 --> 00:01:57,520
an incredible story to tell about his

17
00:02:02,310 --> 00:02:00,159
experience as well and what he

18
00:02:04,630 --> 00:02:02,320
kind of thinks uh is going on and what

19
00:02:09,109 --> 00:02:04,640
works for him and i just think he's an

20
00:02:12,470 --> 00:02:09,119
amazing dude super nice very helpful um

21
00:02:14,229 --> 00:02:12,480
and i'm really excited to have him back

22
00:02:17,990 --> 00:02:14,239
and

23
00:02:23,589 --> 00:02:18,000
it's that we have matching outfits

24
00:02:27,589 --> 00:02:25,110
so we'll do that one thing i wanted to

25
00:02:29,990 --> 00:02:27,599
say quick here about like super chats

26
00:02:32,470 --> 00:02:30,000
and everything um just to give everyone

27
00:02:34,550 --> 00:02:32,480
an opportunity to not throw their money

28
00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:34,560
at me for a question

29
00:02:39,030 --> 00:02:36,959
um i mean you can but consider it a

30
00:02:40,790 --> 00:02:39,040
donation

31
00:02:42,390 --> 00:02:40,800
so i did give people an opportunity to

32
00:02:44,550 --> 00:02:42,400
send me an email with any questions that

33
00:02:45,910 --> 00:02:44,560
they want asked and i could ask those uh

34
00:02:47,589 --> 00:02:45,920
at this point it might be a little late

35
00:02:49,350 --> 00:02:47,599
to it you can still throw a question up

36
00:02:51,750 --> 00:02:49,360
and if it slides right into the

37
00:02:54,550 --> 00:02:51,760
conversation i'll throw it in there

38
00:02:58,309 --> 00:02:54,560
but definitely no promises at all

39
00:03:01,910 --> 00:02:58,319
um but with that being said

40
00:03:03,190 --> 00:03:01,920
let's not waste any more time in bring

41
00:03:05,750 --> 00:03:03,200
on

42
00:03:06,390 --> 00:03:05,760
my nasa buddy mr john ramirez how are

43
00:03:08,630 --> 00:03:06,400
you

44
00:03:09,430 --> 00:03:08,640
hey sean doing great

45
00:03:11,990 --> 00:03:09,440
good

46
00:03:13,589 --> 00:03:12,000
hoodie

47
00:03:15,670 --> 00:03:13,599
totally love it you were wearing that

48
00:03:17,350 --> 00:03:15,680
and i was like wait let me put on my

49
00:03:21,430 --> 00:03:17,360
nasa shirt

50
00:03:25,509 --> 00:03:23,430
yeah well you know you gotta start

51
00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:25,519
somewhere

52
00:03:31,110 --> 00:03:26,400
so

53
00:03:33,190 --> 00:03:31,120
you've done quite a lot of interviews i

54
00:03:36,390 --> 00:03:33,200
really enjoyed the the interview you did

55
00:03:39,190 --> 00:03:36,400
with uh andy and that that uh

56
00:03:40,710 --> 00:03:39,200
ufo podcast um i thought that was

57
00:03:42,789 --> 00:03:40,720
fantastic

58
00:03:44,630 --> 00:03:42,799
um and you've done other ones that were

59
00:03:45,750 --> 00:03:44,640
were pretty great when you were first on

60
00:03:47,830 --> 00:03:45,760
the show

61
00:03:49,589 --> 00:03:47,840
we were talking about

62
00:03:51,910 --> 00:03:49,599
um your presentation that you had put

63
00:03:54,390 --> 00:03:51,920
together and you hadn't

64
00:03:56,309 --> 00:03:54,400
gone through it yet and then you did

65
00:03:59,190 --> 00:03:56,319
with um

66
00:04:01,509 --> 00:03:59,200
jay and project unity

67
00:04:03,429 --> 00:04:01,519
uh i guess my first

68
00:04:04,949 --> 00:04:03,439
just question and you know how i like to

69
00:04:07,589 --> 00:04:04,959
do it i just like to talk and have a

70
00:04:09,030 --> 00:04:07,599
laid-back conversation but you know um

71
00:04:10,949 --> 00:04:09,040
how was

72
00:04:12,470 --> 00:04:10,959
how did that go how did you feel it went

73
00:04:14,949 --> 00:04:12,480
i mean it's clear that you put a lot

74
00:04:16,949 --> 00:04:14,959
into that presentation so after you went

75
00:04:18,069 --> 00:04:16,959
through it and it was out there

76
00:04:19,909 --> 00:04:18,079
you know

77
00:04:23,670 --> 00:04:19,919
were you happy with this response was it

78
00:04:25,670 --> 00:04:23,680
expected did you not have expectations

79
00:04:29,030 --> 00:04:25,680
well actually

80
00:04:31,350 --> 00:04:29,040
it went just about the way i expected

81
00:04:33,189 --> 00:04:31,360
i'm sure there were parts of it that

82
00:04:34,710 --> 00:04:33,199
people resonated with in other parts

83
00:04:37,350 --> 00:04:34,720
that people

84
00:04:38,230 --> 00:04:37,360
did not resonate and in fact maybe have

85
00:04:40,550 --> 00:04:38,240
uh

86
00:04:42,790 --> 00:04:40,560
thought of some partials as being

87
00:04:44,790 --> 00:04:42,800
outright deception on my part

88
00:04:46,950 --> 00:04:44,800
because i brought in some information

89
00:04:49,510 --> 00:04:46,960
they may have not put together before

90
00:04:51,749 --> 00:04:49,520
that's fine by me it's not meant to

91
00:04:54,150 --> 00:04:51,759
convince anybody of anything

92
00:04:57,510 --> 00:04:54,160
it's mostly for myself

93
00:04:59,110 --> 00:04:57,520
to convince me of what i learned

94
00:05:00,790 --> 00:04:59,120
professionally what i experienced

95
00:05:01,830 --> 00:05:00,800
personally and trying to connect my own

96
00:05:03,749 --> 00:05:01,840
dots

97
00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:03,759
and if people resonate with where some

98
00:05:07,510 --> 00:05:05,360
of the dots went that's fine if they

99
00:05:10,150 --> 00:05:07,520
don't that's fine as well

100
00:05:12,629 --> 00:05:10,160
mostly i wanted

101
00:05:15,029 --> 00:05:12,639
folks in the intelligence community now

102
00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:15,039
or have served in intelligence community

103
00:05:19,990 --> 00:05:18,000
to look at that presentation as sort of

104
00:05:22,310 --> 00:05:20,000
a guide on how to do something like that

105
00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:22,320
if they have information and i'm sure

106
00:05:26,150 --> 00:05:24,000
there are those who have a lot more

107
00:05:28,550 --> 00:05:26,160
information than i have maybe more

108
00:05:30,230 --> 00:05:28,560
current than i have because my retired

109
00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:30,240
in 2009

110
00:05:35,670 --> 00:05:32,800
and so everything i know is like already

111
00:05:36,550 --> 00:05:35,680
what in 2022 it's going to be 13 years

112
00:05:39,510 --> 00:05:36,560
old

113
00:05:40,790 --> 00:05:39,520
so it was mostly to encourage others to

114
00:05:43,029 --> 00:05:40,800
come forward

115
00:05:46,710 --> 00:05:43,039
and i can say that there have been some

116
00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:46,720
um responses behind the scenes to me

117
00:05:50,790 --> 00:05:49,360
by uh folks who have served in the

118
00:05:52,390 --> 00:05:50,800
intelligence community and that's where

119
00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:52,400
i wanted to go with that

120
00:05:54,469 --> 00:05:53,280
great

121
00:05:56,550 --> 00:05:54,479
so

122
00:05:57,990 --> 00:05:56,560
i would say net result is looking pretty

123
00:06:00,150 --> 00:05:58,000
positive

124
00:06:02,790 --> 00:06:00,160
all in all yes i would say that um if

125
00:06:05,270 --> 00:06:02,800
there's any regrets i wish i had gone

126
00:06:08,390 --> 00:06:05,280
more into

127
00:06:10,870 --> 00:06:08,400
detail on that infamous slide 54 where i

128
00:06:12,950 --> 00:06:10,880
talked about the alien dna right i wish

129
00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:12,960
i would explain that fully

130
00:06:18,469 --> 00:06:16,720
um i had written to cia prior to them

131
00:06:20,230 --> 00:06:18,479
receiving the presentation

132
00:06:23,510 --> 00:06:20,240
letting them know where i was going with

133
00:06:25,749 --> 00:06:23,520
it naming names uh naming locations

134
00:06:26,870 --> 00:06:25,759
i went to a lot more detail and i

135
00:06:28,469 --> 00:06:26,880
purposely

136
00:06:30,150 --> 00:06:28,479
held that back

137
00:06:32,710 --> 00:06:30,160
not because i didn't want to reveal it

138
00:06:35,670 --> 00:06:32,720
because i reveal it to cia

139
00:06:38,309 --> 00:06:35,680
but because i didn't want any of that to

140
00:06:40,309 --> 00:06:38,319
be scrutinized even further

141
00:06:42,629 --> 00:06:40,319
and that they might

142
00:06:44,710 --> 00:06:42,639
just use that one slide to go back and

143
00:06:46,469 --> 00:06:44,720
review and say well this guy's on to

144
00:06:49,029 --> 00:06:46,479
something that he knows about and we

145
00:06:50,790 --> 00:06:49,039
need to like look at it in more depth

146
00:06:52,469 --> 00:06:50,800
and cut back on what he can say i didn't

147
00:06:55,510 --> 00:06:52,479
want any of that to happen

148
00:06:57,830 --> 00:06:55,520
so i made it more speculative but hinted

149
00:06:59,029 --> 00:06:57,840
in that interview with jay of project

150
00:07:01,270 --> 00:06:59,039
unity that

151
00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:01,280
um i don't have any evidence people

152
00:07:07,909 --> 00:07:04,560
assume that i had evidence i don't what

153
00:07:10,309 --> 00:07:07,919
i do have is the ability to

154
00:07:12,870 --> 00:07:10,319
prove that that meeting took place by

155
00:07:14,550 --> 00:07:12,880
naming those names and perhaps someone

156
00:07:17,350 --> 00:07:14,560
with a foia or

157
00:07:18,950 --> 00:07:17,360
some other means can go out and try to

158
00:07:21,830 --> 00:07:18,960
get more information

159
00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:21,840
about that presentation or even just to

160
00:07:26,390 --> 00:07:24,160
look into the people who were there and

161
00:07:28,390 --> 00:07:26,400
ask them questions uh do you recall

162
00:07:30,550 --> 00:07:28,400
doing this presentation do you recall

163
00:07:33,430 --> 00:07:30,560
sponsoring this presentation that you

164
00:07:34,550 --> 00:07:33,440
guys did um and so what was all that

165
00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:34,560
about

166
00:07:39,110 --> 00:07:37,120
uh i could have gone that way but i

167
00:07:40,710 --> 00:07:39,120
didn't and so that's still

168
00:07:42,550 --> 00:07:40,720
i sort of like

169
00:07:45,189 --> 00:07:42,560
a card up my sleeve if you will that i

170
00:07:47,670 --> 00:07:45,199
can play later and i'll wait for a good

171
00:07:49,350 --> 00:07:47,680
time to play that and let's see i know

172
00:07:50,469 --> 00:07:49,360
okay i'm going to go out with more

173
00:07:52,230 --> 00:07:50,479
information

174
00:07:56,230 --> 00:07:52,240
yeah well i mean you give us the names

175
00:08:00,629 --> 00:07:58,230
how about if i guess if i guess well you

176
00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:00,639
won't get me i'm just kidding

177
00:08:04,629 --> 00:08:02,720
no i understand i mean i thought your

178
00:08:06,309 --> 00:08:04,639
presentation was great i think um

179
00:08:08,710 --> 00:08:06,319
personally i get a little frustrated

180
00:08:11,270 --> 00:08:08,720
when people get too hung up on what you

181
00:08:13,270 --> 00:08:11,280
clearly state as you know your truth and

182
00:08:15,990 --> 00:08:13,280
what you've came to believe in

183
00:08:17,350 --> 00:08:16,000
versus focusing on the help that you're

184
00:08:19,430 --> 00:08:17,360
offering by doing this i mean it's

185
00:08:21,189 --> 00:08:19,440
unheard of uh really for somebody to

186
00:08:23,270 --> 00:08:21,199
come out like you are and be so helpful

187
00:08:24,950 --> 00:08:23,280
with the foia process the inner workings

188
00:08:27,749 --> 00:08:24,960
of the intelligence

189
00:08:30,390 --> 00:08:27,759
um branches of the government and how to

190
00:08:31,749 --> 00:08:30,400
get information you know and a lot of

191
00:08:33,029 --> 00:08:31,759
people were

192
00:08:33,829 --> 00:08:33,039
doubting

193
00:08:35,990 --> 00:08:33,839
um

194
00:08:38,709 --> 00:08:36,000
i guess that you were who you said you

195
00:08:40,469 --> 00:08:38,719
were but i knew you were right away just

196
00:08:42,870 --> 00:08:40,479
because of your language

197
00:08:43,909 --> 00:08:42,880
and how you talk in the things you talk

198
00:08:47,590 --> 00:08:43,919
about

199
00:08:49,110 --> 00:08:47,600
um as far as you know i see language and

200
00:08:50,550 --> 00:08:49,120
i've only been studying it for a few

201
00:08:52,870 --> 00:08:50,560
months but it's been pretty it was

202
00:08:53,980 --> 00:08:52,880
pretty clear to me like uh normal people

203
00:08:55,590 --> 00:08:53,990
don't know that stuff

204
00:08:57,990 --> 00:08:55,600
[Laughter]

205
00:09:00,550 --> 00:08:58,000
and i actually held back i held back on

206
00:09:02,070 --> 00:09:00,560
a lot of the acronyms i have to like

207
00:09:03,269 --> 00:09:02,080
consciously

208
00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:03,279
um

209
00:09:07,110 --> 00:09:06,160
say out the entire words of maybe an

210
00:09:08,550 --> 00:09:07,120
office

211
00:09:10,150 --> 00:09:08,560
you know because i'm so used to like

212
00:09:13,190 --> 00:09:10,160
throwing out just the three letters or

213
00:09:15,190 --> 00:09:13,200
four letters or whatever right to denote

214
00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:15,200
certain functions or missions or

215
00:09:19,269 --> 00:09:17,200
operations or offices

216
00:09:21,829 --> 00:09:19,279
and i'm so used to that type of lingo

217
00:09:22,790 --> 00:09:21,839
but i had to like purposely spell out

218
00:09:24,550 --> 00:09:22,800
things

219
00:09:25,910 --> 00:09:24,560
in words and that slowed me down a

220
00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:25,920
little bit

221
00:09:29,910 --> 00:09:28,240
but if you want if you want a full dose

222
00:09:32,230 --> 00:09:29,920
of uh

223
00:09:35,350 --> 00:09:32,240
i guess you would call it spy speak i

224
00:09:37,030 --> 00:09:35,360
can like launch into it anytime

225
00:09:39,030 --> 00:09:37,040
well i'm making i'm actually making a

226
00:09:41,509 --> 00:09:39,040
short film so maybe i'll get you out of

227
00:09:43,590 --> 00:09:41,519
that and you'll do some of that

228
00:09:46,310 --> 00:09:43,600
i wanted to ask um

229
00:09:48,550 --> 00:09:46,320
like maybe a couple

230
00:09:51,910 --> 00:09:48,560
of follow-up questions from that ufo

231
00:09:54,870 --> 00:09:51,920
podcast that you did um

232
00:09:56,630 --> 00:09:54,880
now you were you started in the navy in

233
00:09:58,790 --> 00:09:56,640
electronic signature work and everything

234
00:10:01,110 --> 00:09:58,800
looking for microwave signatures so i

235
00:10:03,430 --> 00:10:01,120
guess right yeah so the kind of obvious

236
00:10:06,630 --> 00:10:03,440
question to me was um

237
00:10:09,269 --> 00:10:06,640
did you ever pick up any anomalous

238
00:10:11,670 --> 00:10:09,279
microwave signatures um so the field was

239
00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:11,680
called electronics warfare and i was an

240
00:10:17,750 --> 00:10:14,160
electronics warfare technician

241
00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:17,760
and so our job was to collect and

242
00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:19,920
analyze microwave signals associated

243
00:10:22,310 --> 00:10:20,880
with

244
00:10:24,550 --> 00:10:22,320
other ships

245
00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:24,560
or aircraft that might be in the

246
00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:26,720
vicinity where we're operating

247
00:10:32,230 --> 00:10:30,000
even like a submarine would pop up its

248
00:10:34,389 --> 00:10:32,240
radar which is very very rare the

249
00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:34,399
submarine would pop up its radar because

250
00:10:37,750 --> 00:10:35,760
then it's seen

251
00:10:40,069 --> 00:10:37,760
uh to be able to identify

252
00:10:42,630 --> 00:10:40,079
uh those type of signatures and and then

253
00:10:47,430 --> 00:10:42,640
correlate it with an exact platform

254
00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:47,440
like it's this russian bear delta bomber

255
00:10:51,750 --> 00:10:49,760
like at that bearing and then i'll go

256
00:10:53,509 --> 00:10:51,760
over to the guys who are operating the

257
00:10:56,230 --> 00:10:53,519
scopes they're called operation

258
00:10:58,389 --> 00:10:56,240
specialists and look at the air pitcher

259
00:11:02,150 --> 00:10:58,399
and say hey i got a bearing

260
00:11:04,069 --> 00:11:02,160
of a radar associated with a bear d

261
00:11:05,590 --> 00:11:04,079
at that bearing and he says yeah i got a

262
00:11:07,590 --> 00:11:05,600
contact out there

263
00:11:09,350 --> 00:11:07,600
okay so doesn't make that as

264
00:11:11,670 --> 00:11:09,360
a russian bear d

265
00:11:12,710 --> 00:11:11,680
um that's what i did uh for living in

266
00:11:15,829 --> 00:11:12,720
the navy

267
00:11:16,870 --> 00:11:15,839
also learn how to jam signals um jam

268
00:11:19,910 --> 00:11:16,880
radars

269
00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:19,920
as far as anomalous uh i did not ever

270
00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:21,760
detect anything that would be associated

271
00:11:28,069 --> 00:11:24,240
with the ufo uap or anything like that

272
00:11:30,230 --> 00:11:28,079
i have heard some very unusual signals

273
00:11:32,949 --> 00:11:30,240
and they're associated with what's known

274
00:11:35,350 --> 00:11:32,959
as numbers stations

275
00:11:37,670 --> 00:11:35,360
and a number station is

276
00:11:39,430 --> 00:11:37,680
actually a spy station it's a

277
00:11:41,269 --> 00:11:39,440
communication station

278
00:11:43,430 --> 00:11:41,279
used by

279
00:11:45,190 --> 00:11:43,440
foreign intelligence services even u.s

280
00:11:48,310 --> 00:11:45,200
intelligence services

281
00:11:52,069 --> 00:11:48,320
where they will send messages as numbers

282
00:11:53,190 --> 00:11:52,079
and so i would i detected one in the sea

283
00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:53,200
of japan

284
00:11:57,030 --> 00:11:55,440
it was in chinese and they were just

285
00:11:59,350 --> 00:11:57,040
counting numbers

286
00:12:00,389 --> 00:11:59,360
over and over and over

287
00:12:02,629 --> 00:12:00,399
um

288
00:12:05,190 --> 00:12:02,639
and it was actually i had a rotation

289
00:12:07,269 --> 00:12:05,200
rate like it was like a radar or this

290
00:12:09,829 --> 00:12:07,279
directional antenna

291
00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:09,839
sweeping in a 360 degree arc and i

292
00:12:13,430 --> 00:12:11,440
measured it you know how how many

293
00:12:15,990 --> 00:12:13,440
seconds it took to make one sweep and it

294
00:12:17,590 --> 00:12:16,000
was just a bunch of numbers in chinese

295
00:12:19,430 --> 00:12:17,600
and i recorded it

296
00:12:21,430 --> 00:12:19,440
and of course that gets labeled and you

297
00:12:22,389 --> 00:12:21,440
know you get the date time group and you

298
00:12:25,110 --> 00:12:22,399
just

299
00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:25,120
what frequency was that and pack it away

300
00:12:30,389 --> 00:12:27,760
and it goes to nsa and let uh dana say

301
00:12:31,829 --> 00:12:30,399
folks you know the linguists

302
00:12:33,509 --> 00:12:31,839
interpret what those numbers are and

303
00:12:35,030 --> 00:12:33,519
what that might be and i'll give them an

304
00:12:36,790 --> 00:12:35,040
alignment bearing

305
00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:36,800
and so it was an island it was a chinese

306
00:12:40,629 --> 00:12:38,800
island um okay

307
00:12:42,550 --> 00:12:40,639
that uh it was a numbers station and

308
00:12:44,949 --> 00:12:42,560
that that's the most unusual thing i

309
00:12:46,949 --> 00:12:44,959
i've seen but other than that

310
00:12:48,949 --> 00:12:46,959
you know it's the usual usual stuff of

311
00:12:52,150 --> 00:12:48,959
getting a fire control radar associated

312
00:12:54,310 --> 00:12:52,160
with a a soviet uh gun system pointed

313
00:12:56,710 --> 00:12:54,320
right at you and you know oh yeah i'm

314
00:12:58,710 --> 00:12:56,720
being tracked by this

315
00:13:00,870 --> 00:12:58,720
russian ship that can shoot

316
00:13:02,790 --> 00:13:00,880
at me right now you know

317
00:13:05,110 --> 00:13:02,800
stuff like that

318
00:13:07,350 --> 00:13:05,120
where the sailors like uh or you know

319
00:13:09,670 --> 00:13:07,360
the navy men or you know the navy

320
00:13:11,829 --> 00:13:09,680
aviators as you say they like to become

321
00:13:15,430 --> 00:13:11,839
uh anybody talk about

322
00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:15,440
uaps or ufos or usos even then

323
00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:17,600
no nothing like that uh i've heard

324
00:13:20,870 --> 00:13:19,360
nothing about that uh while i was in the

325
00:13:22,870 --> 00:13:20,880
navy at all

326
00:13:25,430 --> 00:13:22,880
interesting

327
00:13:28,389 --> 00:13:25,440
i wonder if is that like a stigma thing

328
00:13:30,790 --> 00:13:28,399
probably at that point maybe okay

329
00:13:33,910 --> 00:13:30,800
well it's simply a matter of fact that

330
00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:33,920
we never detected anything like that um

331
00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:36,480
on our sensor systems our

332
00:13:42,870 --> 00:13:39,120
surface search air search uh or our

333
00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:42,880
sonar or even me on the passive side

334
00:13:47,509 --> 00:13:45,360
detecting electromagnetic microwave

335
00:13:49,750 --> 00:13:47,519
emissions passively

336
00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:49,760
never never saw anything like that at

337
00:13:52,150 --> 00:13:50,480
all

338
00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:52,160
yeah do you think they're just coming

339
00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:53,600
from space

340
00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:55,279
and like because a lot of people have

341
00:13:58,389 --> 00:13:56,880
the theory like maybe

342
00:14:00,870 --> 00:13:58,399
you know they've been here for a while

343
00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:00,880
living in the sea or

344
00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:02,639
you know deep with

345
00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:05,600
underground somewhere um

346
00:14:08,230 --> 00:14:06,720
but it's

347
00:14:09,829 --> 00:14:08,240
you know from what you're telling me it

348
00:14:11,430 --> 00:14:09,839
seems like maybe they just come from

349
00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:11,440
space

350
00:14:16,150 --> 00:14:14,880
well um i i don't discount anything

351
00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:16,160
they could come from space they couldn't

352
00:14:19,670 --> 00:14:17,920
compromise within the earth or they

353
00:14:22,389 --> 00:14:19,680
could come from under the water

354
00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:22,399
yeah um i find it interesting that

355
00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:25,760
the navy has always been associated with

356
00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:27,440
this type of

357
00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:29,760
investigational research

358
00:14:33,189 --> 00:14:32,000
so that leads me to believe that

359
00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:33,199
they may

360
00:14:40,949 --> 00:14:38,320
these craft may be uh natively uh usos

361
00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:40,959
instead of ufos and that they have that

362
00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:42,959
trans medium capability of coming out of

363
00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:45,360
the water flying and going back into the

364
00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:46,240
water

365
00:14:49,829 --> 00:14:47,360
because

366
00:14:50,949 --> 00:14:49,839
the ocean is a great place to hide

367
00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:50,959
i mean

368
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:53,120
who knows what's underneath there

369
00:14:56,870 --> 00:14:55,600
um there are rumors of bases down there

370
00:14:59,430 --> 00:14:56,880
and you know

371
00:15:02,230 --> 00:14:59,440
facilities down there i don't know

372
00:15:05,110 --> 00:15:02,240
if that's true or not but just looking

373
00:15:07,269 --> 00:15:05,120
at it now as a civilian looking back at

374
00:15:10,069 --> 00:15:07,279
it i do know that

375
00:15:10,829 --> 00:15:10,079
one of the compartments i was never read

376
00:15:12,470 --> 00:15:10,839
into

377
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:12,480
specifically

378
00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:15,519
i believe because of my interest in the

379
00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:17,920
entire subject matter was a navy

380
00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:19,440
compartment

381
00:15:22,230 --> 00:15:20,320
and

382
00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:22,240
they purposely

383
00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:24,720
did not read me in in fact the control

384
00:15:30,069 --> 00:15:26,560
officer at cia

385
00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:30,079
made it plain and known to me plainly

386
00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:32,560
that the department of defense does not

387
00:15:38,829 --> 00:15:35,600
want you read into this compartment

388
00:15:42,069 --> 00:15:38,839
whereas i got all kinds of like 26

389
00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:42,079
others um that i was read into 26

390
00:15:48,069 --> 00:15:44,880
compartments um and this one they

391
00:15:49,829 --> 00:15:48,079
purposely denied me being read into so

392
00:15:51,110 --> 00:15:49,839
it leads me to wonder what's in that

393
00:15:52,069 --> 00:15:51,120
compartment

394
00:15:53,509 --> 00:15:52,079
yeah

395
00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:53,519
so i don't know but it's a navy

396
00:15:56,550 --> 00:15:55,120
compartment it has something to do with

397
00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:56,560
what's under the water

398
00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:57,920
that's interesting

399
00:16:01,829 --> 00:15:59,920
it makes me think of

400
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,839
lewin when he talks about

401
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:03,360
when he was

402
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:06,399
um you know brought into what he did at

403
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:08,399
um a-tip or whatever

404
00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:09,600
um

405
00:16:13,509 --> 00:16:11,759
he said they pretty much select him

406
00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:13,519
because he had absolutely no prior

407
00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:15,759
interest in any of them

408
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:17,770
so maybe you're onto something

409
00:16:20,829 --> 00:16:19,440
[Laughter]

410
00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:20,839
perhaps

411
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:23,759
um you know that kind of brings me to

412
00:16:28,870 --> 00:16:25,680
another question i wanted to ask about

413
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:28,880
your time in the cia and how you kind of

414
00:16:34,629 --> 00:16:31,839
mentioned that there's a lot more people

415
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:34,639
in the cia or intelligence community

416
00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:36,639
that were experiencers than we would

417
00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:39,360
ever really think or know and

418
00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:40,720
um

419
00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:42,560
you actually said it was uh

420
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:44,560
you know like a magnet for experiencers

421
00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:46,079
you were just you know using that

422
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:47,519
expression but

423
00:16:52,069 --> 00:16:50,480
um just to kind of give us a better

424
00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:52,079
kind of

425
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,800
picture of what that means if you had to

426
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:56,880
count how many experiencers you've met

427
00:17:01,990 --> 00:16:59,759
within ic how many would that be

428
00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:02,000
um i would say

429
00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:04,160
it's not in the hundreds it's not even i

430
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:05,760
would say about a dozen

431
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:10,160
okay people uh that i personally knew um

432
00:17:12,309 --> 00:17:11,520
that uh

433
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:12,319
both

434
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:14,880
while i was serving and in retirement

435
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:15,839
um

436
00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:17,679
that have

437
00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:19,520
said to me that yes i was also an

438
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:20,880
experiencer

439
00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:23,199
uh the ones that i knew while they were

440
00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:24,959
in service

441
00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:27,600
uh depending on where they were at

442
00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:30,240
uh they were very cautious about making

443
00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:31,360
that known

444
00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:33,280
that's true and so i remember this one

445
00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:36,080
gentleman a colleague of mine an nsa

446
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:37,679
counterpart

447
00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:39,840
for what i did for cia that's

448
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:42,480
counterpart at nsa

449
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:44,480
revealed to me that

450
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:47,360
they've actually seen craft land

451
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:49,760
and that beings came out and he and his

452
00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:51,120
brother

453
00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:53,600
were witnesses to this event

454
00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:57,280
and so he was an active nsa officer

455
00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:59,600
a sigin officer who

456
00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:01,919
did not want that known

457
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:04,720
so that's an example of you know at nsa

458
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:07,520
maybe he felt like

459
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:09,679
that's not good for me to like reveal

460
00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:11,039
this information

461
00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:13,600
yeah and so if you talk to folks not

462
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:15,919
just in the beltway within the beltway

463
00:18:20,549 --> 00:18:18,640
as we call it the big five agencies but

464
00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:20,559
if you talk to folks outside of that who

465
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:22,960
are also in the technical intelligence

466
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:24,640
field that i was in

467
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:26,640
uh they will come to you and let you

468
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:28,400
know that they're believers

469
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:29,840
either they're believers because of

470
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:31,440
something that they experience or the

471
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:33,679
believers because of something that

472
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:35,840
someone else experienced someone that

473
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:38,480
they trust that they know intimately

474
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:40,080
that they experienced it

475
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:41,200
um so

476
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:43,360
at those close associations where i had

477
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:45,520
one-on-one contact i would say it

478
00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:46,960
doesn't but then

479
00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:49,360
uh as you recall i was uh the

480
00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:50,559
administrator one of the

481
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:53,120
co-administrators of this uh database in

482
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:54,559
lotus notes

483
00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:57,360
way before you know it was like twitter

484
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:59,520
or facebook or anything we had loads

485
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:01,200
notes

486
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:08,080
we had this discussion database uh for

487
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:10,640
technology you know basically like

488
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:12,080
computer technology completely or

489
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:13,360
hobbyist

490
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:16,480
and uh so one one of the uh i guess you

491
00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:18,559
call them channels now was just a

492
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:19,840
catch-all

493
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:22,720
and there people were like post you know

494
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:23,520
that

495
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,919
you know yeah i i was in the remote

496
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:26,880
viewing

497
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:31,679
um i know this program has gone on for a

498
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:33,039
long time

499
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:36,240
um and the gentleman who was in the navy

500
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:38,240
uh during the vietnam war saying you

501
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:41,039
know i was on on board uss boston

502
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:42,960
a cruiser heavy cruiser and we were in

503
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:44,799
the gulf of tonkin and we fought off a

504
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:46,480
ufo

505
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:48,640
those kind of things that um they were

506
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:50,480
like let me know about

507
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,160
wow so everyone's like uh uss what

508
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:56,240
right yeah and you know like i said i

509
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:58,000
mean we had discussions about the

510
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:59,280
anunnaki

511
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:01,520
uh back when richard hoagland just came

512
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:03,679
out with his monuments of mars book we

513
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:06,080
talked about that and complaining like

514
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,840
why can't nasa go there instead of like

515
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:11,919
yeah going somewhere else this is where

516
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:13,600
the interesting stuff is why don't they

517
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:14,720
go there

518
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,159
um i was wondering out loud actually um

519
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,559
why doesn't the intelligence community

520
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:22,720
loan out one of its satellites to nasa

521
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:24,960
they do so much better and later i found

522
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:26,170
that we did loan out

523
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:27,600
[Laughter]

524
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:30,159
i think it was a few satellites that we

525
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:31,440
loaned out to

526
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,080
to nasa from nro to nasa transfer the

527
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:36,240
technology whether they use the cell

528
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,240
lights themselves i don't know but the

529
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,400
technology is what's important

530
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,320
right right right so yeah like half

531
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:44,960
meter or better resolution per pixel

532
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:47,440
back in the day so it's even better now

533
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,480
but uh

534
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,880
yeah interesting i think um to think

535
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:52,960
that nasa maybe doesn't know more than

536
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,880
they lead on would

537
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,480
maybe

538
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,640
be a little silly don't you think i

539
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:00,880
think it is because recently you know

540
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,520
when uh they knew the uap task force

541
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:05,039
report was coming out

542
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:06,000
uh

543
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:08,960
i i believe nasa was kind of

544
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:11,840
within in-house they were cueing their

545
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,559
uh spokespeople or officials

546
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:17,200
right you might be asked to comment on

547
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,960
the uap task force and here's what

548
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,159
you're going to say

549
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:22,400
you know and those are affordable

550
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,919
documents now and

551
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,440
things are like

552
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,120
blocked out

553
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,960
and things that they forgot to block out

554
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:30,880
in another version of that document you

555
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:34,080
know right uh so

556
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:35,200
there's

557
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:39,919
treasure uh gems and those documents as

558
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:42,159
well it's what nasa actually knows

559
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,760
yeah and

560
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,280
you know just even going through old

561
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,240
like blue book documents um i've found

562
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,559
them a couple times mentioned here and

563
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:52,559
there um one was actually an

564
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:55,600
investigation all the way in australia

565
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:56,840
which was in

566
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,440
1964 uh there were like two nasa

567
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,840
engineers out there with um

568
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,440
dr sipple was his name the guy who

569
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,919
coined the term windchill

570
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,440
which which is interesting they were

571
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,240
investigating a landing out there so

572
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,880
that was pretty interesting um

573
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:14,799
and i think it was i forget the guy's

574
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:17,360
name but it was one guy who

575
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:21,039
um was flying an x-15 and caught ufos on

576
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:22,320
the camera

577
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,679
and

578
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,600
nasa had worked with the air force to

579
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,919
release this to the public and that was

580
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,360
pretty interesting too i forget the

581
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:31,919
guy's name now but and you know but this

582
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:34,159
is also old school all my knowledge is

583
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,520
you think you don't know anything

584
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:37,840
anymore because it's 2009

585
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,990
so

586
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,600
um

587
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,159
i wanted to talk a l wait first of all

588
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,159
is one of those experiences john brennan

589
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:52,320
by chance in the cia i don't know who he

590
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:53,039
is

591
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,799
john grenin john brennan oh john brennan

592
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,679
uh no i have not talked to john brennan

593
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,840
about his experiences

594
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,000
okay i have met him but i have not

595
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,480
talked to him about it um i met him uh

596
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:08,720
at a reunion

597
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,840
and so every year i i did receive my

598
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,919
invitation this past year because of

599
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:14,960
covet

600
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,360
uh but at least uh in august of 2016 i

601
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:19,600
was invited back to cia headquarters and

602
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,840
i've purposely not responded rsvp to

603
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,280
these invitations

604
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,280
to do a one-day trip back to cia

605
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,799
headquarters you know they could bring

606
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:30,159
all the

607
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,720
some not so old but you know retirees

608
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,640
back together who served and we get a

609
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,480
full days of briefing of what's going on

610
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,080
at cia

611
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,480
and so i decided to go uh primarily

612
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:45,039
because it was august of 2016

613
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,400
and i

614
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:48,840
understood that john brennan would

615
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:52,000
describe uh the briefing process

616
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,559
to the two candidates uh then candidate

617
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:56,799
hillary clinton and then candidate uh

618
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,679
donald trump uh what the process was to

619
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:01,440
brief them

620
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,679
and so i was interested in that and i i

621
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,080
don't think it's not classified because

622
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,320
it's an unclassified environment

623
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,400
but john brennan said that the agency

624
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:14,960
was very reluctant to brief the clinton

625
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,640
team

626
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,720
and uh president obama said you will

627
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,960
brief the clinton team primarily because

628
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,799
the agency was upset about the way she

629
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,799
handled classified information right

630
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,559
right so i don't know if this is going

631
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,720
to be headline used somewhere but i mean

632
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,559
that's it's not news

633
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,120
right um but you know i was surprised by

634
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:35,279
that and i raised my hand and asked mr

635
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:36,320
brennan

636
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,240
uh to what level are these candidates

637
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,720
cleared to and he says to the very top

638
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,559
at tts sci

639
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:47,440
so they get top secret sci briefings

640
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,360
uh prior to them assuming office

641
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,360
um because you just don't know what's

642
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,679
gonna happen so they you don't know

643
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,279
what's gonna happen you don't know who's

644
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,360
going to actually win the election

645
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,799
so they want to bring everybody up to

646
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:03,039
speed so on day one

647
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,960
that they know what's going on

648
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,720
um so i was surprised that they were

649
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,880
being briefed to that level

650
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,480
um but i don't i don't think they get

651
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,720
the uap ufo briefing until yeah

652
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,799
afterwards you just took that question

653
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:16,159
right out of my head i was going to say

654
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,520
they probably brief them on the most

655
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,760
important things yeah i think uaps would

656
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,320
be a part of that but yeah

657
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:23,679
that would probably be the one that

658
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:26,559
they'd hold off on

659
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,600
just in case um

660
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,919
a little bit about

661
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,360
no and the reason i brought that up is

662
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:35,600
because john brennan's comment was uh

663
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:37,279
kind of breathtaking i'm sure you

664
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,480
remember that

665
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:40,799
where you know he was talking about the

666
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,760
the uaps and it might constitute another

667
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:45,679
form of life

668
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,799
yeah

669
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,520
i don't think someone with his stature

670
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:52,000
says something like that if it's not

671
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,880
well

672
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:55,200
you gotta assume that he knows exactly

673
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,400
the full story

674
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,720
um that's what i assume and when i met

675
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:00,960
him it's not like i had a substantive

676
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,279
discussion he just shook my hand and

677
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,240
said you know welcome back to cia yeah

678
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,400
i'm happy to be here thank you very much

679
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,720
mr brennan you know that kind of thing

680
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,400
and then i did ask him the question in

681
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,559
the auditorium which we call the bubble

682
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:17,279
the auditorium of the gathered retirees

683
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,400
but um

684
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:23,750
i i always i've always believed that

685
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:27,200
these directors are brief to that level

686
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:28,880
um but

687
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,520
they have plausible deniability

688
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,880
uh

689
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,240
they can just say

690
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:35,919
i can't comment on it or i don't know

691
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,720
much about it i mean

692
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,760
have you been briefed about whatever and

693
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,080
see if they say yes or no and they won't

694
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:45,600
lie to you they will deflect that

695
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,480
question

696
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,520
right

697
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:49,760
you know with a different answer

698
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:50,799
yeah

699
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,039
you know but uh since

700
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,600
this is the value of having

701
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,000
that new york times article come out in

702
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,720
december of 2017 and then having the

703
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:02,240
videos come out

704
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,640
because then you have incontrovertible

705
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,600
uh

706
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,360
proof that there's something flying up

707
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,159
there and you can't say it's

708
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,679
you know swamp gas or anything or

709
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,520
temperature versions you're looking at

710
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,919
planet venus or whatever they have to

711
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:17,679
address it and i think it gives them a

712
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:20,080
little bit more top cover to say

713
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,440
something like that

714
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,279
without really revealing anything that

715
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,200
we don't already know

716
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,360
right that's a good point

717
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,440
so i think uh

718
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:31,760
i welcome that if if these officials who

719
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,679
are currently serving or have served in

720
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,200
these high positions

721
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:37,120
can reveal things like that that we

722
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,799
already know at least it gives us some

723
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:40,000
validation

724
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,799
that

725
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,720
it's not a conspiracy theory or anything

726
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,559
there might be some modicum

727
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,200
of of truth there

728
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,200
and they may not reveal everything but

729
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,919
they certainly do shine a a strong light

730
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:53,840
at the answers

731
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,919
that then we can go and investigate or

732
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:58,000
ask others about

733
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,360
you're right because yeah obama made

734
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,440
that comment too about their stings in

735
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,200
our skies we don't know what they are

736
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,760
that's information that's out already

737
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,919
yeah yeah exactly yeah that's a good

738
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:09,279
point yeah

739
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:10,480
um

740
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:13,279
i wanted to touch on your

741
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,320
um

742
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:16,799
experiences just a little bit

743
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,679
and

744
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,440
i know it seems like you know when you

745
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,520
get um

746
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,279
downloads or

747
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:25,760
um have some sort of communication with

748
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,919
the beings that you interact with or or

749
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:28,720
see

750
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:30,799
um there's a message kind of attached

751
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:31,760
with it

752
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,960
and i know you've said that it's

753
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:37,120
kind of based around things like be good

754
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,320
to the earth

755
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,240
you know be good to each other

756
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,840
um

757
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,679
is there does it ever come with more

758
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,760
detail is there anything that's ever

759
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,240
like shocking to you that

760
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,159
no nothing like that

761
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:52,000
or visions or anything

762
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,679
uh nothing like that

763
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:55,679
i've only had one vision and i don't

764
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:58,240
know

765
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,600
what the nature

766
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:01,520
of that message was

767
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,559
i don't know if it's something that

768
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,799
happened in the past or something that's

769
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,799
going to happen in the future

770
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:09,679
um but when i say downloads don't think

771
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,960
of it as you know like all of a sudden

772
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:14,399
this

773
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:18,720
bulb shines over my head it's not like

774
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,600
that

775
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:22,480
it's a strong strong feeling

776
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,039
yeah it's a spine tingling feeling and

777
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:27,600
it you

778
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,360
i feel it with the force of conviction

779
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,520
and then that gives me grounds to go

780
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,080
into further meditation about it

781
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:38,399
maybe at that time or later

782
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,440
to try to sort out for myself is there a

783
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,760
meaning for me about it or

784
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:45,600
is this something that i can discard

785
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:48,559
that may not have any relevance to me

786
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:49,600
right

787
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,000
so what i've been doing is

788
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,000
mindful meditation is different in that

789
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:55,919
you go in with the intent

790
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,240
of having a question that you want an

791
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,840
answer for

792
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:01,760
and it's a little bit deeper for me to

793
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:04,799
go into that type of meditation

794
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,159
when i do that then i do see uh clearly

795
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:11,520
i see outlines of things

796
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,559
uh or actual scenes so the one scene

797
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,520
that i had was like uh i'd like a tidal

798
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,120
wave

799
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:20,880
coming across the earth and this was

800
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:24,960
like uh after uh fukushima you know the

801
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,919
big tsunami they had in japan this was

802
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,480
after that it was after indonesia there

803
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:32,799
was another tsunami that

804
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,600
brought death and destruction

805
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,240
in indonesia and this is after that this

806
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,559
is like almost like

807
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:42,559
here the united states

808
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,080
where i just saw this big wave of water

809
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,080
engulfing cities

810
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,480
now i've been trying to think did i see

811
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:52,640
any movies like that maybe i saw a movie

812
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,039
and it's just recalling a movie or maybe

813
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,279
um the movie was to

814
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,760
the the thought or memory of the movie

815
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:01,519
was just to bring home that something

816
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,480
like this could happen and what i saw in

817
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,559
my mind is not actually what's going to

818
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,519
happen

819
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:09,760
but the idea that you know something

820
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,399
catastrophic might happen

821
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,640
um that maybe that was it but that's the

822
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:17,360
only time where i felt like it was like

823
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,480
a disturbing kind of

824
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,360
imagery that entered my mind other times

825
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,120
it's more like

826
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:27,200
very positive

827
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:29,600
very much the message of caring for the

828
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,480
earth

829
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,120
um the uh caring for the climate and

830
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,440
things like that and caring for myself

831
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,840
nutrition wise health-wise

832
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,640
yeah

833
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,640
you know i it's it's interesting that

834
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,880
you said that about the tidal wave and

835
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:44,880
you know i think

836
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,000
anytime i have something like that

837
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:50,159
you know you always try to play it off

838
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,720
like maybe it was this or was that but

839
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,960
if you think about you know experiencers

840
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:57,120
in a common theme with experiencers who

841
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,080
have maybe really strong visions or

842
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,990
they tend to be somewhat apocalyptic

843
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:08,080
you know

844
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:11,200
and that's something i've noticed and

845
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,480
you know what does that mean does that

846
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,720
mean something like that will happen or

847
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,080
is it

848
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,679
yeah it's it's hard to determine what

849
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,320
that is because if you really accept it

850
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:22,720
for what it is it's um pretty

851
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,279
frightening so

852
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,039
you know i wonder if sometimes it's just

853
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:29,360
some sort of subconscious fear-based

854
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:31,760
thing about your own life possibly i

855
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:32,640
don't know

856
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,200
yeah that's that's uh a good place to

857
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,440
explore of you know these are personal

858
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,000
messages and what do they mean to me

859
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,200
or is there any relevance for me um is

860
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,919
it a warning for myself you know that i

861
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,919
should stop doing something or start

862
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,159
doing something to prevent

863
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,640
uh maybe a health impact

864
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:54,880
the mind curves and so this is just a

865
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:57,679
metaphor for that health impact

866
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,799
so it may not be this this literal tidal

867
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,039
wave you know it could be that it could

868
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,279
be an emotion that you know you're

869
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:07,679
you're going to be faced with

870
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,159
an emotional crisis that will overwhelm

871
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,720
you and we're just letting you know that

872
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,640
this might be happening to you and you

873
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,159
can mitigate it now there are things you

874
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,919
can do to prevent that

875
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,240
that could be too as well

876
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,799
i've had the the tidal wave thing which

877
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,399
is interesting because i think there's

878
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:26,240
another thing that we shared about like

879
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:29,360
two little tornadoes or something yes

880
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,320
yeah

881
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,880
interesting yes there's a woman in this

882
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,519
that a woman came and

883
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:38,000
she brought tornadoes with her two

884
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,600
little ones like not just oh yeah f5

885
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:43,919
i didn't see that i literally saw a

886
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:47,120
tornado like a column of um

887
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:48,960
uh of

888
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,279
wind a whirlwind right in front of me

889
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:53,679
and she herself started turning around

890
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:56,399
like a tornado wow

891
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,200
um and then she the tornadoes in her

892
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:00,799
went down

893
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:03,519
down these steps which were very dark

894
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,200
and these steps like uh led to

895
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,960
um

896
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:10,480
i

897
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,000
dc

898
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,679
something people don't know about me but

899
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:16,879
i'm a

900
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:25,109
yeah so i remember some of these clubs

901
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,560
you know they're dark and dingy and you

902
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,240
go down it's like

903
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,839
peeling on the walls and stuff and

904
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,679
graffiti all that that's that's the

905
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:33,919
feeling i got going down there i was

906
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:36,800
going to a very cool goth club you know

907
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,200
so but you know that vision ended right

908
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,800
at that point where i was going down and

909
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:42,000
following her

910
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,710
do when you you know

911
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,240
when you have these visions or when you

912
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,960
see the beings is it

913
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,159
are there any

914
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,280
emotional attachments to this or is it

915
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,400
all just like mental or

916
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,720
consciousness or do you ever have like

917
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,040
joy or sadness or

918
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,680
um and does it stick with you well past

919
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:12,240
the episode

920
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:13,440
i don't

921
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,480
remember in emotion so much as i was

922
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,480
just like

923
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,480
looking at me outside of me you know

924
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,320
it's almost like

925
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:24,960
i'm experiencing this as me but i'm also

926
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,440
experiencing it uh in the third person

927
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:29,359
that i'm watching this person having

928
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:30,880
this experience

929
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,440
yeah so it's coming from two places

930
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,240
and i didn't attach any emotion to it

931
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:38,880
whatsoever because

932
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,440
when i had these experiences the voices

933
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,400
were always very reassuring

934
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,480
uh that no harm will come to me that we

935
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,920
just want to find out how you are we

936
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:49,280
just want to check you out don't be

937
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,320
afraid

938
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,720
right now the exception to that was when

939
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,560
i was annoyed

940
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,400
about being woken up

941
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:57,599
one night

942
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:01,599
and i saw uh a being coming toward me

943
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,880
that again i see sarian or reptilian or

944
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,720
sorry on tight beans

945
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:09,200
and this one i just was annoyed and i

946
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,720
punched them i was just fighting them

947
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:12,320
off you know just leave me alone i want

948
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,520
to go to sleep

949
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,000
holy crap um and so

950
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,079
that ended and the next morning i had

951
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,599
claw marks

952
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:21,040
on this arm

953
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,240
wow

954
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,880
like so i don't know of where where the

955
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,400
claw marks came from

956
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,720
i imagine uh skeptics and debunkers

957
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,560
would say that yo yeah you were just

958
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,640
clawing yourself how are you scraped

959
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,400
your arm on something but

960
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,640
yeah they were there yeah that'd be a

961
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:39,040
full-time job appeasing uh debunkers

962
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,640
yeah

963
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:42,560
well the good news good news about that

964
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,200
sean was that after i had that

965
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,160
um i started seeing uh i don't i didn't

966
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:51,280
see orbs in my bedroom i saw this cloud

967
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,320
a green cloud up here a green mist i

968
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,880
would wake up and see this green mist

969
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,640
with uh

970
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:00,320
like

971
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,440
bright

972
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,079
but still green tinted sparkles inside

973
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,520
that mist

974
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,680
and i when i looked at it talking about

975
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,680
emotions you asked me before

976
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,480
when i looked at it i felt like um more

977
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,040
of a protective sense that it was here

978
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,960
to protect me

979
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:17,839
so

980
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:20,240
that that occurred that's probably the

981
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:23,359
only emotion or any kind of emotive

982
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,720
feeling i had

983
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,560
from any kind of phenomenon experience

984
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:28,320
like that yeah

985
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,359
i wonder if some of these beings are

986
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,839
individuals just like we are like there

987
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:35,040
could be

988
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:39,680
a not so nice sorry and or in a nice one

989
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,560
or

990
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,400
you know where they

991
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,560
they're not all the same

992
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,400
you know so maybe you could have a good

993
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,400
experience with one and a bad experience

994
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,720
with another that could be i i don't

995
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,280
know i it's hard to explain um

996
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:56,160
i know uh there are experiencers who've

997
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,359
had less than pleasant experiences right

998
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,119
and their experiences who have nothing

999
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,920
but experiences with with what i guess

1000
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,359
they would call space brothers and

1001
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:07,359
sisters you know that they're here to

1002
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:10,240
help us and they're wonderful people and

1003
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:11,440
um they're

1004
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,800
beings of such high level consciousness

1005
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,000
um

1006
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:18,800
so it's the runs the full gamut so maybe

1007
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,440
there are like personalities

1008
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:24,160
within them uh i don't know

1009
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,440
yeah you would

1010
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:27,680
yeah how would you know i guess and it's

1011
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,480
so easy to to just like kind of picture

1012
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,960
things or other beings non-human

1013
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,960
entities and kind of attach

1014
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,960
our own qualities to them

1015
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,040
which may not be the smartest thing to

1016
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,960
do especially if they're from somewhere

1017
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,040
else in the galaxy

1018
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,200
yeah you know

1019
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,520
i know a lot of folks who experience the

1020
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,599
space brothers and sisters you know they

1021
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,839
look at those who don't experience that

1022
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,760
and say you know that's not a genuine

1023
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,599
experience you know even within the

1024
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,200
experience of community

1025
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,000
um and especially the channeler and the

1026
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:02,640
experiencer community there's a lot of

1027
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,280
give and take as to you know i don't

1028
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,119
think there's like a this is a

1029
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,720
legitimate experience if you don't have

1030
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:10,720
this then your experience was something

1031
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,520
else i i don't i don't buy that in at

1032
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,280
all i think they're individual

1033
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,200
experiences and you take from it what

1034
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,000
you can you learn from it what you can

1035
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,920
and i just because someone had a bad

1036
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:23,839
experience i don't say that that's not a

1037
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:25,280
genuine experience that's their

1038
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,480
experience

1039
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:29,280
right yeah how could you right yeah

1040
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:30,960
that'd be discount again

1041
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,870
have you

1042
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,960
now i'd go back to like when hopefully

1043
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,720
you don't mind talking about this stuff

1044
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,920
um

1045
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:41,920
but going back to like when you were a

1046
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,800
kid and

1047
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,800
[Music]

1048
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:46,079
you

1049
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,520
were like taken by this woman that

1050
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,359
wasn't your mother into the house and

1051
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:51,440
were doing getting like examinations and

1052
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:52,400
everything

1053
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:53,520
did they

1054
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:58,720
anything to you at all other than it's

1055
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,800
gonna be okay

1056
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,880
they were humans i perceive them as

1057
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:03,920
humans

1058
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,800
yeah and as i said before um i placed

1059
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,200
them time wise when i learned about the

1060
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,200
different eras of

1061
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,040
uh history that this was like the

1062
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,119
victorian era

1063
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:21,359
that's right and i'm working with that i

1064
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,960
think i know why that might be

1065
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,400
and i'll get back to that because that's

1066
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,800
a fascinating story too

1067
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,960
but no they just reassured me that

1068
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,240
everything was fine as they were

1069
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,960
examining me i had no fear really i was

1070
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,200
just curious

1071
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,680
and that it would occur more than once

1072
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,520
sometime first floor sometimes second

1073
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,760
floor now getting back to where i'm

1074
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,680
trying to connect the dots of why it was

1075
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,440
victorian

1076
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:49,680
i've had something

1077
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,760
known as qhht it's a type of regression

1078
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,480
founded by dolores cannon

1079
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,880
it stands for quantum healing hypnosis

1080
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,079
technique

1081
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,640
and i had a practitioner in charlotte

1082
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,680
north carolina working with me

1083
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,920
on a qhht

1084
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:11,280
regression

1085
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:15,280
tapes recently

1086
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:19,040
of my regression i did describe a past

1087
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,670
where um i was married to a woman i

1088
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:26,800
remember

1089
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:29,920
a scene that was like a picnic scene

1090
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,880
of i can remember the yellow flowers and

1091
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,480
trees and the winds blowing through it

1092
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,560
and i was married to this woman

1093
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,119
i was in a village somewhere in i would

1094
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,640
think england

1095
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,960
based on my memories of you know the

1096
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,800
signs and whatnot and it was very

1097
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,520
definitely victorian i was a printer

1098
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,680
back when printer was like these little

1099
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,920
flat plates that you inked right and

1100
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:53,760
just press and press

1101
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,079
so i ran a printing press like that on

1102
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:58,240
the ground floor of the shop and we

1103
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:00,319
lived on the second floor

1104
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,400
and i lost her um she died of uh uh some

1105
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:06,640
kind of lung ailment

1106
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,520
which uh it was probably tuberculosis or

1107
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,440
something because that was one of the

1108
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,920
most prevalent diseases of the time

1109
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,079
but again this was a place where they

1110
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,720
had a lot of like dust and debris from

1111
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,720
paper from inks

1112
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,520
and she was affected by this and she

1113
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:24,880
passed away

1114
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,240
and then later as i went through this

1115
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:31,280
regression experience i remember myself

1116
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,560
dying

1117
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,640
i was in my 70s

1118
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:37,359
and so the practitioner

1119
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,480
had me

1120
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,560
uh just experienced that so what's

1121
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:42,319
happening now

1122
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,920
at the moment of your death and i

1123
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:46,400
described rising out of my body and she

1124
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,359
said

1125
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:49,599
look back at yourself and describe to me

1126
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:50,960
what you see

1127
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,000
and it was like these victorian nurses

1128
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,000
and a victorian doctor

1129
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:58,960
because it was the victorian setting um

1130
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:01,680
and so i put that together recently

1131
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,359
because when i had this qhht experience

1132
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,359
uh it was recorded it was like an hour

1133
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:09,680
and a half or two hours of recording

1134
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,920
and i just i never listened to it until

1135
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,400
recently i listened to it with my wife

1136
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:16,480
and so that came out so okay there you

1137
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,280
go

1138
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:19,119
that's the victorian experience and i

1139
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:21,040
kind of remembered it from before but i

1140
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,480
didn't connect it

1141
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:23,680
to

1142
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,440
as a child

1143
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,240
to a doctor and a nurse by another woman

1144
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,480
not my mother i didn't associate that

1145
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:34,480
early childhood experience with

1146
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,240
one i had as an adult

1147
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:41,200
doing this qhht just uh maybe five years

1148
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,079
ago

1149
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:44,000
yeah so finally i made that that

1150
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,119
connection

1151
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:47,680
i've heard that before too where um a

1152
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,319
lot of like past life memories um come

1153
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,160
to people when they're young when

1154
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:53,520
they're younger

1155
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,800
i've heard a lot of stories about that

1156
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,800
so that makes a lot of sense

1157
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:58,160
interesting

1158
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,440
um

1159
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,280
do you think that

1160
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,240
plays into your experiences with

1161
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:06,079
non-humans

1162
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,119
at all

1163
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,280
in any way but probably not

1164
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,040
uh in what way

1165
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,240
i don't know i don't know hht yeah i

1166
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,839
have i

1167
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,680
we'll we'll need like five hours to go

1168
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,040
through

1169
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,920
all that um i i did have qhht

1170
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:23,839
experiences uh through other

1171
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:26,480
practitioner another practitioner

1172
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:27,440
um

1173
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,960
that revolved more of the uap ufo alien

1174
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,920
theme

1175
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,599
yeah

1176
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:35,760
but

1177
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,079
it was more in the context of looking

1178
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,480
back at history

1179
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,880
um and i haven't fully fleshed that out

1180
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:44,800
um

1181
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:50,800
me being the alien

1182
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,240
uh interesting instead of

1183
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,480
perceiving aliens as a human i was the

1184
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:57,839
alien

1185
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:00,880
and i was piloting a craft

1186
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,280
back to a planet which i guess was earth

1187
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,839
i was the pilot i had a female alien

1188
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,599
navigator next to me

1189
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,599
who was the navigator telling me how you

1190
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,040
know where to go

1191
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,119
and i remember a screen or scope or

1192
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,760
something where i had to like line up my

1193
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,040
my craft

1194
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,920
with this landmark on the earth and it

1195
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:23,359
was a pyramid

1196
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,480
wow and um it wasn't like the pyramid of

1197
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,319
giza or anything it was like a very

1198
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,760
smooth like

1199
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,680
modern looking

1200
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,200
ultra modern

1201
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,599
futuristic looking building sort of like

1202
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:37,760
that pyramid hotel in las vegas whatever

1203
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,800
that whole time

1204
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,800
i was just thinking that it's sort of

1205
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,960
like that with like the top and but it

1206
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,720
wasn't like dark like that pyramid it

1207
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:47,520
was on the top was like a a beacon of

1208
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,960
some sort both a visual lit beacon and a

1209
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,040
uh radio beacon of some sort because i

1210
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,680
remember i had to line up the screen

1211
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,960
with a signal

1212
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,720
and the visual

1213
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,560
or the beacon and landing

1214
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,880
landing my craft which was a transport

1215
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,359
craft they had there were passengers of

1216
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:07,920
my species on that craft i was

1217
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,880
transporting to what i thought was earth

1218
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,160
you're getting

1219
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,319
you're a space taxi cab driver yeah

1220
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:16,400
that's basically it

1221
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:19,760
yeah yeah a future uber driver you know

1222
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:22,800
uh so yeah i had that and i mean i can

1223
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,119
go that that's like

1224
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,040
that'll take a long time too yeah no

1225
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:29,119
that's a flush it through but

1226
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,319
i remember that that experience and um

1227
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,160
i've had others that i've already

1228
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,560
described um where you know i was a

1229
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,640
being of light with other beings and

1230
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,319
then having to come back and i didn't

1231
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,400
want to come back yeah that type of

1232
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:43,680
thing

1233
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,640
um

1234
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,400
do you think

1235
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:49,119
have have you noticed any like um help

1236
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,560
that along the way in your life that

1237
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:54,319
you know is kind of too

1238
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,560
too much synchronicity to to just be

1239
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,640
you know how it was and maybe something

1240
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,440
else was helping you or guiding you or

1241
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,680
you know putting the right thought or

1242
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:07,359
motive in your head at the right time or

1243
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,319
something

1244
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,000
well throughout my life i kind of knew

1245
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,400
how my life would be um

1246
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:14,800
so i kind of knew um

1247
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,920
that i would go into the navy

1248
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:20,000
i knew that what school i would be going

1249
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:20,720
to

1250
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,720
and graduating from

1251
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,720
and uob and a cia

1252
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,640
and um

1253
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:29,200
in the context of what we're doing now

1254
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,800
i knew back then uh

1255
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,520
as an adult working at cia that someday

1256
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,640
i would be

1257
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,359
on a stage or some public forum

1258
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,839
describing my experiences

1259
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:43,680
with the phenomenon

1260
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,880
so that that i i kind of knew ahead of

1261
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:48,960
time

1262
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,960
so that wasn't a surprise to me the fact

1263
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,359
that this is happening now

1264
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,440
i didn't realize it would happen

1265
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:57,599
so i made a conscious decision based on

1266
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,800
what i was informed by the ce6

1267
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,640
experience with mark simms when i saw

1268
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,680
the orb

1269
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,920
telling me as a message that you have

1270
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:07,440
things to share it's time for you to

1271
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,559
share them

1272
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:10,960
interesting and so that's what prompted

1273
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,520
me to dust off this old

1274
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,400
um presentation i did for a meet up in

1275
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:19,200
charlotte for cosmic empowerment is a

1276
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:22,160
group of maybe a dozen and a half

1277
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:26,640
enthusiasts of ufos and et's

1278
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,040
i did a presentation on that first part

1279
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,200
about the intelligence community

1280
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,839
it was in a much rawer form it wasn't as

1281
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,920
polished as you saw it

1282
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,680
but i did that originally for them and

1283
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,760
just put it away and then so i took that

1284
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,839
and then i built upon it

1285
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,319
that's that's what you saw since

1286
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:46,720
but that was because of the message i

1287
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,520
got from that orb telling me

1288
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,280
it's time for you to share and see where

1289
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,280
that goes and so

1290
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:54,800
that's how i ended up right here with

1291
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:55,520
you

1292
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:56,640
yeah

1293
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:03,750
you know where is this going you know

1294
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,559
do you still ask like why am i

1295
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,319
you know what what am i doing this for

1296
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,079
like why are you having me do this why

1297
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,240
did you tell me to do this you know do

1298
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,559
you ever have those kind of questions

1299
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:16,960
yes i did and um it was answered to me

1300
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,680
right away at this very same ce6

1301
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:21,680
experience that i was

1302
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,880
doing this not only to inform myself of

1303
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,559
helping me understand

1304
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,160
what was going on

1305
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,240
but also help others and help a

1306
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:32,079
particular individual

1307
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,240
yet you will meet

1308
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,319
and you have a close

1309
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,960
uh relationship with this as a friend

1310
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:42,559
a confidant

1311
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,520
and so uh i won't reveal his name but

1312
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,520
that that has happened

1313
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:49,440
well so

1314
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,240
um

1315
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,440
i believe that was one of the purposes

1316
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,520
on a personal level is to

1317
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,760
meet this gentleman

1318
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,480
establish a very close friendship with

1319
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,839
that gentleman

1320
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,079
and so it's

1321
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,480
it's that

1322
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,640
and also informing

1323
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:09,920
your audience

1324
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:12,559
right now that that are viewing us right

1325
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,520
now

1326
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,599
and as well as other audiences and other

1327
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:17,920
podcasts i've done to just share what i

1328
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:18,880
know

1329
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:21,680
yeah and where it goes from here i i

1330
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:24,720
don't know i'm just hoping that

1331
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,160
that others would like uh find some ways

1332
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:30,079
of you know helping themselves find the

1333
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,200
information

1334
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,280
because i describe myself as basically i

1335
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:35,359
i don't have all the information

1336
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:36,480
but i know

1337
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,040
how to interpret the information i know

1338
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,400
where to look for the information i'm

1339
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,319
basically just a flashlight

1340
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:44,160
in a deep dark cellar

1341
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,680
yeah and i know where to shine the

1342
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,520
flashlight and if you see something

1343
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,079
there i might help you be able to

1344
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,880
explain what what you're seeing

1345
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,720
do you think that your experiences and

1346
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:56,559
everything are kind of

1347
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,760
could be more impactful than your actual

1348
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,920
intelligence knowledge

1349
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:04,240
uh for me personally yes

1350
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,640
even if i had not had the intelligence

1351
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,440
background i had yes i mean the personal

1352
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:11,359
experiences that i've had leading up to

1353
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:14,640
that was very very insightful for me

1354
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:17,040
the fact that i was at cia was like part

1355
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,240
of it

1356
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,040
but i don't think it that one

1357
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:23,040
had to lead to the other or one was

1358
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,880
dependent on the other

1359
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:26,640
yeah

1360
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,559
this weird ability to

1361
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,240
um

1362
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,640
shut off that part of us

1363
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:38,160
you know that experience part of us

1364
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,480
which actually one i wanted to ask this

1365
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,640
one question from um someone who

1366
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:44,400
actually just chatted it at the perfect

1367
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,440
time

1368
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,599
um you know grant cameron and he has

1369
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:49,440
this kind of theory this right brain

1370
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:50,720
left brain

1371
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,960
a theory where you shut off the one side

1372
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,800
of the brain and that's really how you

1373
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,480
can get your downloads or how most

1374
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:58,480
people get their downloads do you know

1375
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,280
much about that theory and if you do

1376
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,119
what's your take on it i don't know

1377
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:06,160
anything about that theory at all um

1378
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,280
i have very

1379
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,800
little knowledge of

1380
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,319
like

1381
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,559
medicine or how the human body works

1382
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:14,800
other than a very civilian type

1383
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,079
knowledge of of how that works

1384
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,200
subsequently to me coming out with my

1385
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:23,520
presentation i've been informed about

1386
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:26,079
something called a call date or yeah

1387
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:27,280
call date

1388
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:28,640
putamen

1389
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:31,200
it's a cp part of the brain

1390
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,000
and that may have some association with

1391
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,720
our ex those who are experiencers

1392
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,640
or those who have received

1393
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:40,559
channeled messages

1394
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:43,359
but i don't know what that would be

1395
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:46,480
i have anecdotally heard

1396
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,760
that if you deprive your physical senses

1397
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:51,119
in some way

1398
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,160
that then your inner self

1399
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,079
will become more heightened

1400
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,880
because you're casting off those sensory

1401
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,359
inputs and so what you have is what's in

1402
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,359
within you and then it's sort of like

1403
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:05,280
meditation in that sense

1404
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,599
that you can physically induce that type

1405
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:08,800
of state

1406
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:11,599
um i've toyed around with one of these

1407
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:13,119
deprivation

1408
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:16,000
water

1409
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,680
sure i felt like that might be a cool

1410
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:18,880
thing to do

1411
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:21,760
um but i've never pursued it but i've

1412
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,800
heard things like that that you can like

1413
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,160
do that and

1414
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:28,960
basically when you sleep um a lot of

1415
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:30,880
your uh

1416
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,520
autonomous functions still go on

1417
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,280
but your physical sensations you know

1418
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,000
for your physical body your body places

1419
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,160
you in a state where

1420
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,079
you don't hurt yourself that you know

1421
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:44,640
you're pretty much lying still

1422
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,040
and then what's left is your thoughts

1423
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,440
you know your thoughts never go to sleep

1424
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:51,119
your eyes go to sleep and that part of

1425
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:52,800
your brain that needs to sleep goes to

1426
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:55,040
sleep but your conscious your

1427
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:57,040
subconscious mind probably still keeps

1428
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,079
working

1429
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:00,960
and maybe that's a way of you know same

1430
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:03,200
thing of separating the hemispheres of

1431
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:04,240
the brain

1432
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,680
yeah then one hemisphere takes over uh

1433
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,000
more so than the one that controls like

1434
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,160
physical movement

1435
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,000
physical sensations

1436
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,079
interesting interesting that like the

1437
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:18,160
senses our senses almost seem to be like

1438
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:21,680
a filter to keep us away from that

1439
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,119
you know as like distractions

1440
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,960
to a certain point

1441
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,880
um we're hitting on the hour mark i

1442
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,119
don't want to keep you too long but um

1443
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,960
mind if i ask you a couple more maybe

1444
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,040
not experience questions sure just kind

1445
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:37,599
of more about the stuff going on now

1446
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,319
yeah um there's a lot of talk recently

1447
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,160
about um

1448
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:44,160
uh baiting uap

1449
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:47,520
um have we baited uap um even like a

1450
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:48,400
russian

1451
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:49,839
somebody said

1452
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:50,720
um

1453
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:54,079
that he knew how to pay uaps at will uh

1454
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:55,280
what's your take on that do you think

1455
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:57,040
that's possible if so what do you think

1456
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:58,559
that would look like

1457
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,760
well um

1458
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,480
i mentioned this uh in passing one of my

1459
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,640
slides was about uh

1460
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:06,480
the soviet and russian era

1461
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,599
where this general alexeyev uh stated in

1462
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:11,680
an interview in 1998

1463
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:14,000
that the soviet government and then

1464
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:15,359
continuing with the russian government

1465
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:18,240
uh they learned how to lure these uaps

1466
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:20,000
down to the ground

1467
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:23,359
um and where they would mimic uh the

1468
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:24,640
human

1469
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:30,799
his arms the uap goes up go

1470
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,440
this way the uap turns that way

1471
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:35,359
you know the uap would make maneuvers

1472
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,400
based on the uh physical

1473
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,640
actions of the human that this is this

1474
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:42,319
general saying this

1475
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:43,520
so i

1476
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,040
i don't know i mean

1477
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,440
yeah there's a source you know

1478
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:49,359
somebody should talk to if he's still

1479
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:50,319
around

1480
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:51,119
uh

1481
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,640
technical intelligence side i knew that

1482
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:58,400
the russians were doing tracking

1483
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,680
something extraordinary in the sky

1484
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,079
when there was nothing there to track as

1485
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,480
far as missiles or satellites

1486
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,559
are missiles definitely not

1487
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:10,319
uh and satellites

1488
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,520
not because they eliminated those

1489
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,440
objects and we're looking at something

1490
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,119
unusual for them

1491
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,280
and that's what prompted this uh the

1492
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,680
soviet government back then to

1493
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:22,799
have the

1494
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,359
soviet armed forces do something to lure

1495
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,440
these uaps down

1496
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:29,359
so i gotta take it at that and i just

1497
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,599
noticed that in the radar data that they

1498
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:33,440
were tracking something

1499
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:34,960
when there was nothing to track they

1500
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:37,520
were putting out track pulses

1501
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,319
and

1502
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,559
creating what we call in technical

1503
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:42,960
element track files

1504
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,160
of some objects uh that were uh in the

1505
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,040
vicinity of that radar's view

1506
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:51,760
so well that's what i can go on but you

1507
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:54,240
know as far as

1508
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,440
what kind of

1509
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:56,960
thing that now i have never seen

1510
00:57:03,109 --> 00:56:58,480
anything i've never done anything like

1511
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:06,630
yeah i do that all the time

1512
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:09,190
um no yeah i think that's interesting

1513
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:10,720
because i think it was ross calhart

1514
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,280
maybe who said he had a source or

1515
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:15,440
something that concerningly

1516
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:18,079
is talking about us uh or having a plan

1517
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,680
to track and and bring down a uap yeah i

1518
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:23,680
don't like that word bring down

1519
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:24,720
yeah

1520
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:25,599
right

1521
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,319
that's in the ndaa it's one of the

1522
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:30,160
stipulations in ea please inform

1523
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:33,520
congress of your recent uh of your uh

1524
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:37,920
capability to uh bring uh capture a uap

1525
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,480
how do you capture a uap

1526
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:42,079
i mean we can't even fly close to one

1527
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,760
that doesn't scoot away you know right

1528
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:46,000
you shoot at them i mean

1529
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,599
i don't i don't know where what congress

1530
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,760
was thinking about unless there was

1531
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,520
already one that shot down and then

1532
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,280
they're gonna trot that out and saying

1533
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,000
hey this is one we captured yeah we took

1534
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:58,240
a billion shots over the decades and we

1535
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,680
got one

1536
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:01,760
or if you believe bob lazar there's more

1537
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:03,920
than one there's like a several of them

1538
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,920
that you can trot out and say hey here's

1539
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:08,640
more there could be i mean i have read

1540
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:11,520
uh an old file from like 48 or 49 about

1541
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:14,720
40 saucers at this at this one place and

1542
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:16,880
the two air force guys were actually

1543
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,040
there and investigated and and they were

1544
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,040
the ones talking about the saucers there

1545
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:23,599
yeah but it it looked like it turned out

1546
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,799
to be

1547
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:26,640
uh something different that worked off

1548
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:29,599
of uh like a kind of an ionized type of

1549
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:31,040
propulsion

1550
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,079
and they were

1551
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:34,160
small or whatever and didn't go very far

1552
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:35,119
but it

1553
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,480
you never know

1554
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,079
you really never know

1555
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:40,160
it was very interesting to read and that

1556
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,079
would be a good way to

1557
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,040
maybe disclose some information

1558
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,119
for sure um

1559
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,960
do you believe we're on a current course

1560
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:49,680
of

1561
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,480
inevitable disclosure and what i would

1562
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:54,160
ask is

1563
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:57,280
do you think it's even up to us

1564
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,559
well i think we're in a course of

1565
00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:00,319
controlled dissemination i've used that

1566
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:02,559
term before right they're not going to

1567
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,000
disclosure to me means to me personally

1568
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:08,160
letting me know everything there is to

1569
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,040
know

1570
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:11,359
yeah disclose everything and i think

1571
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:13,520
it's more disseminating a little bit at

1572
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:17,040
a time leading up to that where once you

1573
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,920
get to the final

1574
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:21,920
uh dissemination you can look back and

1575
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:24,400
say oh okay now now we know what's going

1576
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:25,119
on

1577
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:27,520
but uh i think that the pace is

1578
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:29,680
interesting to me the pace since

1579
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:32,960
2017 until now and in the future

1580
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,960
um the pace is quickening very fast yeah

1581
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:38,400
and so

1582
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:40,720
uh the fact that you know we have the

1583
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:43,520
james webb space telescope up and right

1584
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:45,920
it's doing great i understand it's fully

1585
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:48,400
deployed and it's making its way to its

1586
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:49,440
orbital

1587
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:53,040
uh l2 range uh about a million uh and a

1588
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,280
half miles away from earth so it's

1589
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,359
heading that way and everything seems to

1590
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:59,119
be working just fine so that's great so

1591
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,359
maybe that will find something

1592
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,920
that uh the government already knew and

1593
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,520
then nasa would say oh look at this

1594
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:07,599
great scientific discovery we need to

1595
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:09,440
investigate it and that's an opportunity

1596
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,079
to share more information wow

1597
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,240
so that that's what i'm hoping for and i

1598
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:17,119
still would like to see the 23-minute

1599
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:18,240
video

1600
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,119
right

1601
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,359
yeah definitely don't tell me about

1602
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,359
something you can't show and i'm guilty

1603
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,359
of that too i mean i told you about

1604
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,280
alien dna but i can't

1605
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,280
i can't prove it so i know where luke's

1606
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,040
coming from he's sitting on something

1607
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,359
that he can't show right away but

1608
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,040
i take the blame for that he said that

1609
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,720
on this show oh you did

1610
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,480
yeah

1611
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,319
so

1612
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,000
yeah that was pretty interesting when he

1613
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:43,839
said that yeah um

1614
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,520
you know hopefully

1615
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:47,760
that stuff comes out at some point you

1616
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,359
know do you agree with me in thinking

1617
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:51,680
that maybe you know the information that

1618
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:53,440
comes out or what we know about other

1619
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,559
beings isn't necessarily up to us maybe

1620
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:58,960
that these beings have a lot more to do

1621
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:01,599
with that information dissemination

1622
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:04,640
the tidbit the tidbit i have um

1623
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,280
uh precedents are really interesting

1624
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:09,680
when they talk about this topic because

1625
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:12,480
they they do a song and dance around it

1626
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:13,280
um

1627
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,559
president clinton uh did one oh no

1628
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:18,400
i give it to obama president obama

1629
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:20,720
credit president obama for this

1630
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,400
he said they do not want us to talk

1631
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,240
about them or words of that effect that

1632
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:28,559
they do not want us

1633
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:31,119
to share this information and people

1634
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,240
interpreted they meaning the pentagon

1635
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,400
when i heard that i interpret they to

1636
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:38,240
mean the beings that we already know

1637
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:40,160
about

1638
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,280
that they are not ready

1639
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:45,359
to be talked about um words of that

1640
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:46,319
effect

1641
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:48,640
and speaking about beings

1642
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:51,520
um since you had the 23 minutes on your

1643
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,880
show

1644
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:54,559
it's interesting to note that in open

1645
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:57,039
source if you know where to look and

1646
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,880
it's actually the 1947 1990 report cia

1647
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:02,640
and ufos

1648
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:03,599
there's

1649
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:06,240
i gotta find the full unredacted

1650
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:08,720
unclassified version of that

1651
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:10,799
but there's a line in there that people

1652
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:12,880
just skimmed over

1653
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,319
and it was this

1654
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:16,400
that at cia

1655
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,760
the ufo subject was studied

1656
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:20,960
by

1657
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:23,520
the office of scientific intelligence

1658
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:25,280
which later became the office of

1659
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:27,520
scientific and weapons research

1660
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:28,319
in

1661
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:29,839
the life

1662
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:32,079
sciences division

1663
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:33,200
interesting

1664
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:36,079
not like nuts and bolts craft not

1665
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:40,000
aerodynamic not aerospace engineers but

1666
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:42,000
sciences division

1667
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:45,760
ncia of those two parent offices studied

1668
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:47,920
ufos

1669
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:51,039
and i remember life sciences division

1670
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,480
you know who was in life sciences

1671
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,200
division the kind of uh expertise

1672
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,119
you have biologists

1673
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:59,280
you have uh

1674
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:00,799
neuroscientists

1675
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:03,039
you have psychologists

1676
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:04,880
you have people who are interested in

1677
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,530
bodies

1678
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:08,480
[Laughter]

1679
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:11,680
and that's where the ufo study was done

1680
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:15,440
in cia life sciences division

1681
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,480
wow yeah i mean because i think it was

1682
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:20,400
at that long stream that we did we kind

1683
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:23,599
of discussed the the dna thing and my

1684
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:24,799
question was like well how would they

1685
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:28,000
know it's alien dna well because

1686
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,520
they must

1687
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,079
uh have a sample

1688
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:34,400
body samples i don't know what they have

1689
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,359
but yeah life sciences uh

1690
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,599
that division studied whatever they had

1691
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,839
and for life sciences to be involved it

1692
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:43,200
had to have been

1693
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:46,319
yeah some kind of specimen or a body

1694
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:48,880
otherwise i mean they're not a biologist

1695
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:50,480
isn't going to tinker around with this

1696
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:52,799
propulsion system right right or neural

1697
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:55,520
scientists unless the craft

1698
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:57,760
required some kind of like higher

1699
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:00,240
consciousness drive propulsion you know

1700
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:01,760
that's being talked about

1701
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,760
i don't know but it's interesting that

1702
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:05,039
that division

1703
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:07,520
in my former parent office was a

1704
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:09,599
division that looked into ufos

1705
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,760
officially for cia

1706
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:13,520
you know i just kind of thought of what

1707
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,280
you said about the the russian guy how

1708
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:16,799
they brought them down to the ground and

1709
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:18,880
they mimicked their movements and we

1710
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:21,039
were just talking about uh these things

1711
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,680
being controlled by maybe consciousness

1712
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:25,599
um

1713
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:27,760
yeah and i've heard that before i have

1714
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,559
one

1715
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:30,880
yeah that could be something that was in

1716
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:32,559
tom delong's book too i don't know if

1717
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:36,319
you read his his books but that was uh

1718
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:38,799
you know it was a lot of fact and a lot

1719
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:40,400
of fiction apparently so you don't

1720
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:42,000
really know what is what but that was

1721
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:44,079
one of the things is the craft was

1722
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:46,319
one of the crafts was um you know flown

1723
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,760
with your consciousness

1724
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:49,599
right yeah uh

1725
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:52,000
speaking of books i'm the like worst

1726
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:54,880
read ufo

1727
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:57,039
i i don't i don't read uh much of them

1728
01:05:02,309 --> 01:04:59,680
um i read all the classics like the old

1729
01:05:05,029 --> 01:05:02,319
ones from way back written by jen mars

1730
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:05,039
and stanton freeman you know don schmidt

1731
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:07,839
and they wrote some classic books on uh

1732
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:09,680
richard dolan i actually have richard

1733
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:10,960
dolan's uh

1734
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:13,200
loose leaf blind bound notes that

1735
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:14,799
eventually became the national security

1736
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:19,280
state oh well look uh he i met him at a

1737
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:22,640
x conference uh hosted by uh steven

1738
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:23,760
bassett

1739
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:26,720
and i had him autograph i bought

1740
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:28,240
the volume one and volume two they're

1741
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,359
really thin

1742
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:31,200
and i bought both of them and i had him

1743
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:32,319
sign it

1744
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:34,960
and i was trying to point to the cia

1745
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:37,520
logo here on there because i was serving

1746
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:39,680
in cia and i couldn't remember the cia

1747
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:42,319
then but later i wrote to him from my

1748
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:45,440
unclassified cia email address

1749
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:46,960
saying you know thanking him for

1750
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,720
autographing my my uh his his notes his

1751
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,480
loose leaf notes

1752
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,480
and um and said and being really

1753
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:56,640
interesting to speak with you you know

1754
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:59,680
and uci.gov that's our unclassified

1755
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:00,720
domain

1756
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:02,799
never never and i put my phone number in

1757
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:05,520
there that would have rang at my office

1758
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,319
wow

1759
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:08,319
he never returned yeah he's probably

1760
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,870
yeah

1761
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:14,400
it would have been interesting but

1762
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:16,000
anyway yeah

1763
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:16,960
um

1764
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:19,520
i don't know i mean i don't know how

1765
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,160
much time you got um

1766
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:24,400
okay yeah i mean i just feel like we're

1767
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:26,720
shooting the [\h__\h] really yeah so that's

1768
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:29,119
cool with me

1769
01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:31,359
um

1770
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:37,430
all right well we got a question darren

1771
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:42,870
he's watching me all the time why don't

1772
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:44,640
can you read that this is something that

1773
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,760
niggles me uh if the others watch and

1774
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:49,359
know everything about us will their

1775
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:51,520
behavior and attitude change towards

1776
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,710
that kind of assumes that

1777
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:02,240
what they're

1778
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:04,000
we talked about this already shawn that

1779
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:05,839
you know yeah they exhibit themselves

1780
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,520
differently to different people

1781
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:09,680
yeah that's true uh because i've had

1782
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:11,920
positive experiences um i don't want

1783
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:14,000
their attitude toward me to change

1784
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,480
because i i see it as a positive thing

1785
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,720
yeah i imagine if people have negative

1786
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,400
experiences that would like to have a

1787
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:22,319
more positive one

1788
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:25,039
so that's a hard question to answer

1789
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:26,000
um

1790
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:27,839
because it goes back to like who

1791
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:29,119
actually

1792
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:33,039
residing with us

1793
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:34,240
yeah um

1794
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:36,000
definitely uh the

1795
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,640
skinwalker phenomenon uh i definitely

1796
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:40,160
want them to change

1797
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:42,079
yeah what do you what do you think about

1798
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:43,520
that there does that just seem like a

1799
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,680
melting pot for everything paranormal

1800
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:47,359
that could be going on

1801
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:49,119
i don't know i i think it warrants more

1802
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:50,559
investigation

1803
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,240
and uh it's

1804
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:54,720
i can't believe that all of that ended

1805
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:57,599
in two years from 2008 2010 and they ran

1806
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,640
out of money

1807
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:00,480
yeah why

1808
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:02,720
to me that's like you know we need to go

1809
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:04,880
back there and really

1810
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,839
study

1811
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,839
if it's being studied maybe we don't

1812
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:09,599
know about it maybe it's another secret

1813
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,960
program we don't know about that we

1814
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:12,720
might learn about later but

1815
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:14,400
that warrants a lot of investigation i

1816
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,000
don't know i call them the strangers

1817
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:17,839
because i don't basically

1818
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:20,960
i don't know what they are about

1819
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,239
and apparently um cia and people were on

1820
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:26,400
top of orbs and lots of weird stuff

1821
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:29,120
before even nids and

1822
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:31,359
skinwalker and everything

1823
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,759
uh based on their last interview

1824
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:35,279
how about this question we i think i

1825
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:36,960
already know the answer to this one yeah

1826
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:39,040
no uh it was not part of my interview

1827
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,560
hiring process

1828
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:42,480
it was part of my reinvestigation

1829
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,679
process so at my initial hiring process

1830
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,279
i went through a polygraph and security

1831
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:49,440
investigation that never came up they

1832
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,000
basically want to know if i was a spy

1833
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:54,239
working for a foreign government right

1834
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:56,239
that's that's their primary

1835
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:58,319
counterintelligence focus

1836
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,359
when you join cia but once you're in cia

1837
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:04,080
they won't know more about uh who you're

1838
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:05,679
interacting with and what your hobbies

1839
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:07,679
are and things like sexual preference

1840
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:08,560
right

1841
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,520
well

1842
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:11,359
back then it wasn't such a big deal if

1843
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:14,239
everyone knew about what that was

1844
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,080
right it was only a big deal if you had

1845
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,319
anything in your past life that

1846
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:20,480
you could be embarrassing yeah be

1847
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,000
embarrassing enough that you will give

1848
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:24,480
away secrets in order to prevent being

1849
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:25,679
being revealed you know being

1850
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,319
blackmailed are you a black male target

1851
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,239
and if you're not that's fine i mean you

1852
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,640
could be anything you want and

1853
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:34,640
as long as you're not a black uh a

1854
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:36,560
target of blackmail but to answer that

1855
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:39,279
question it happened uh at the five-year

1856
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,880
reinvestigation

1857
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:42,719
where they asked me what my hobbies were

1858
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,040
and at that time that's when i started

1859
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:47,520
going to ufo conferences prior to that i

1860
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:50,000
never attended a ufo conference prior to

1861
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:51,440
1984

1862
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:54,239
when i was hired but since joining cia

1863
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:56,880
uh in 1984 i started getting interested

1864
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:59,360
because as we said before i started

1865
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:02,000
meeting people with the same interests

1866
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:03,760
and so you're interested in ufos yeah i

1867
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:06,960
kind of was interested in ufos and ex

1868
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:09,679
related my experiences that i've had uh

1869
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:11,920
in my younger years so at that point

1870
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:14,400
they did understand that you know that

1871
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:17,280
ufos were a hop ufos and ets were

1872
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:19,920
hobbies of mine and i would go to uh ufo

1873
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:22,080
conferences and they would dually note

1874
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:24,080
it down on my security profile it's

1875
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:25,600
probably still there

1876
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:31,750
uh

1877
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:34,400
stipulation on that so

1878
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:37,040
75 years that's uh yeah that's a long

1879
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:37,920
life

1880
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:40,560
pretty much forever

1881
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,640
um

1882
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,120
we got this one john's thoughts on

1883
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,600
recent news of navy detonating a bomb

1884
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:49,360
off the florida coast could it be to

1885
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:51,360
coax usos thanks for all your great work

1886
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:53,840
shauna john well i don't know i i didn't

1887
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:55,760
know about the bomb being detonated off

1888
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:58,400
the florida coast i do know that i was

1889
01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:00,800
in the navy and uh

1890
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:03,040
we had a lot of target practice all the

1891
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:04,800
time you know we would actually shoot

1892
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:05,679
some

1893
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:07,360
live ammo

1894
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:08,719
and uh

1895
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:10,960
and they would go off

1896
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,800
and uh so i don't know what that bomb

1897
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,080
was about

1898
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:15,920
but florida is a very interesting uh

1899
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:17,440
state i think

1900
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:19,840
in terms that uh i would like call out

1901
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:21,440
uh

1902
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:29,360
cape canaveral

1903
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:32,320
yeah the annual especially the nro side

1904
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,520
of the cape

1905
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,199
and uh homestead air force base

1906
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:36,960
allegedly that's where

1907
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:39,600
richard nixon showed jackie gleason

1908
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,800
uh bodies at homestead air force base

1909
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:44,560
according to uh

1910
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,760
uh

1911
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:47,520
i think it was jackie gleason's wife or

1912
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:48,480
something

1913
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,480
right later um i don't know what the

1914
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:52,640
full story is but florida is just an

1915
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:54,320
interesting place oh that's the home

1916
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,239
state of marco rubio

1917
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:58,320
yeah right so

1918
01:12:03,830 --> 01:11:59,920
there's a lot of interesting blue book

1919
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,840
stories on in florida as well um

1920
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:05,600
what do you think

1921
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:09,360
jacques vale in the control system

1922
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,080
uh i've not read any of chocolate's

1923
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,719
books i've seen him uh in conferences i

1924
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:16,159
saw him recently

1925
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:17,679
uh at the

1926
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:21,040
star works usa conference november of

1927
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:22,719
2021.

1928
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:24,960
and but other than that i i have not

1929
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:28,960
read like i said i'm the worst read

1930
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,040
all right entire field how about this

1931
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,840
one um

1932
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,239
intergalactic or aliens or

1933
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:38,880
interdimensional or you don't know i

1934
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:41,520
think it's all the above reason

1935
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:43,280
recently um

1936
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:44,159
uh

1937
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:49,840
sean sean esbjorn hargens i was in this

1938
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:52,800
course called exo studies right and uh

1939
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:55,600
so um we talked about

1940
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:57,440
every hypothesis

1941
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:59,440
every single one of them and to all of

1942
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,719
the above extraterrestrial

1943
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:02,400
interdimensional

1944
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:03,760
um

1945
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,760
ultra terrestrial you you name it you

1946
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:07,840
know they recovered it all and there's

1947
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:09,920
he has a list of many many many

1948
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:12,719
uh manifestations of this phenomenon so

1949
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:15,280
i like again i take it all

1950
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:17,199
i embrace it all widely

1951
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:18,800
um so

1952
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:20,960
i i don't i don't discount just because

1953
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:23,920
uh i don't see one that they don't exist

1954
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,320
you know right right yeah especially

1955
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,640
with this phenomenon where you know i

1956
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:30,880
think we agree or at least

1957
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:33,600
uh i agree that it kind of takes on a

1958
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:35,199
little bit of the person

1959
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:37,520
or mimics the person a little bit

1960
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:40,000
um reflects the person uh to a certain

1961
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,000
extent and everybody's different from

1962
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:44,320
one another so that's how many different

1963
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:46,719
variations you could have i guess

1964
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:47,920
you know

1965
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,350
what

1966
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,280
do you think when you look at like the

1967
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,360
news coming out these days and and

1968
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:57,840
people are like pushing uh new ufo

1969
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:00,719
stories or maybe on the news talking or

1970
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:02,960
whatever do you see anybody that's

1971
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,000
um maybe not credible and not that you

1972
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:08,159
have to list them out but what would be

1973
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:09,840
some good ways to

1974
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:13,040
um for us as viewers to look out for

1975
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:14,400
something like that

1976
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:15,199
um

1977
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:17,600
for the general public i mean can you

1978
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:20,239
imagine the the courage it takes to say

1979
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:21,679
that you're seeing something like that

1980
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:23,120
and i think

1981
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:25,280
that's the value of having

1982
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:28,320
discussions like this of having uh these

1983
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:31,120
videos released by the pentagon

1984
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:32,560
however they were released whether it

1985
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:36,400
was true lou or whoever yeah i thank

1986
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:38,080
them for releasing that

1987
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,880
and to having ufos uaps in

1988
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,360
these two pieces of legislation the ndaa

1989
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:46,880
and the iaa

1990
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,800
and having that um

1991
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:51,040
our future in space discussion on stage

1992
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:53,840
with the dni abrahams

1993
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:56,159
it really takes away a lot of the stigma

1994
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,640
behind this and as i would say

1995
01:15:01,270 --> 01:15:00,080
um

1996
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:01,280
i can't

1997
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:03,679
it's hard to discount

1998
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:06,400
eyewitnesses who have absolutely no

1999
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:09,280
stake in making any money

2000
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:11,120
and they're putting their reputations on

2001
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,600
the line by coming out in public

2002
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:15,600
right and so i you know they're

2003
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:18,239
witnesses and

2004
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,719
i have to like take that

2005
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:23,120
and embrace that i don't discount that

2006
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:26,320
at all what i do discount

2007
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:27,120
are

2008
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:28,960
people who claim

2009
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:33,280
to be insiders who claim to have inside

2010
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:35,440
classified information that they're

2011
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:38,239
releasing to certain researchers and

2012
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:40,719
these researchers presented publicly

2013
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,800
that i got this from this source that i

2014
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,239
cannot name

2015
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,400
when you can't name a source

2016
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:48,320
and you say you vetted them but there's

2017
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,080
giving you classified information i've

2018
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:52,960
said it before that source has been

2019
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:55,600
compromised and they're compromising you

2020
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:58,480
you're being used for whatever purpose

2021
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:01,360
either they're imposters or you're being

2022
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,120
purposely used

2023
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:05,440
in order to spread this information

2024
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,760
officially

2025
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,120
and so

2026
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:11,840
uh i call it a deflection so

2027
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:13,120
believe me

2028
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,400
um

2029
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:16,320
the counter intelligence people in the

2030
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:17,920
u.s government

2031
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:20,719
uh if they're on you the

2032
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:23,920
fbi national security branch counter

2033
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:26,239
intelligence intelligence division

2034
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:28,560
they're on you they're going to find out

2035
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,320
who your sources are

2036
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,640
and if they don't arrest the source or

2037
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:34,800
somehow get to the source to prevent

2038
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,800
that from happening if it's genuinely

2039
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:38,400
classified

2040
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:39,679
and if you're still hearing from that

2041
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:40,719
source

2042
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:44,560
absolutely

2043
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:46,560
that source will be gone having said

2044
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:47,360
that

2045
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:51,199
been turned in some way

2046
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:52,880
interesting because that's part of the

2047
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:55,440
spy business is making double agents out

2048
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,280
of folks right you know you catch them

2049
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:59,120
and then say hey you work for us and by

2050
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:00,960
the way you hand this over

2051
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:03,040
to this researcher

2052
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,360
and then we you won't get into trouble

2053
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:07,440
we will drop the charges so to speak and

2054
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,430
yeah so anonymous sources don't don't

2055
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:17,760
trust anonymous sources at all

2056
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:20,320
especially anonymous sources that say i

2057
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:22,320
have classified information and i want

2058
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:23,679
to give it to you

2059
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,640
right

2060
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,320
because then if if

2061
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:28,000
if your phone if you're a researcher and

2062
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:29,600
you got that if your phones aren't

2063
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:31,520
tapped if your computer hasn't been

2064
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:34,320
hacked by officially by government and

2065
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:35,920
it's not cia doing it because we have no

2066
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:39,679
law enforcement fbi can do it legally

2067
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:42,719
for counterintelligence purposes um

2068
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:45,440
that source is it's very suspect

2069
01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:47,360
yeah don't do it

2070
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:50,080
um all right let's end on this question

2071
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:52,239
then i gotta let my dogs out to go to

2072
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:54,530
the bathroom and feed them dinner

2073
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:56,960
[Laughter]

2074
01:18:01,910 --> 01:18:00,080
so we have from sean hi john can you

2075
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:01,920
expand on the encounter you had with the

2076
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:04,400
light pods and you being able to choose

2077
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:06,960
your own next time

2078
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,159
um yes i talked about this in another uh

2079
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:12,400
my very first uh interview

2080
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:15,040
was with exo metaverse

2081
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:18,320
exo metaverse altogether

2082
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:19,120
um

2083
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:20,880
and so

2084
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:23,840
uh if there's a way i can provide

2085
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:24,800
the

2086
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:27,440
url for that'll be easier through you

2087
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:29,120
sure uh for people to click on it and

2088
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,120
i'll provide that but i talk extensively

2089
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:33,679
about that that was part of my uh one of

2090
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:36,640
my qht regressions

2091
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,760
right um i think i have it right up here

2092
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:42,239
would it be on their website

2093
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,520
yeah it's it's with a a wonderful woman

2094
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:47,040
naughty hannah

2095
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:50,080
um she's an experiencer as well and uh

2096
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,040
okay

2097
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:53,679
i'll put it in the chat here for people

2098
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:54,880
um

2099
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:56,560
awesome

2100
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:58,239
anything that you want to get out there

2101
01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:00,000
and say to

2102
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:01,360
um

2103
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:04,239
you know ufo twitter or anybody watching

2104
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:07,520
uh yeah um i was just saying this um

2105
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:09,920
uh i appreciate the support that i've

2106
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,800
got um there are many many people who've

2107
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:14,880
texted me direct messaging

2108
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:17,120
uh and i've made like virtual friends

2109
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,080
with

2110
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:20,880
and uh so i appreciate that very much i

2111
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,440
also appreciate those in government you

2112
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:25,199
shall name nameless who've reached out

2113
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:26,880
to me

2114
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:28,800
and i know you're doing good work and

2115
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:31,040
this work is still progressing believe

2116
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:32,640
me it's more than lou

2117
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:35,120
doing this it's more than chris mellon

2118
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,600
there's a team of people behind them

2119
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:39,679
that you don't know about

2120
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:41,920
that they're working on this at various

2121
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:43,120
agencies

2122
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:44,000
to

2123
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:45,760
actually understand the phenomenon and

2124
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:47,679
get the truth out

2125
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,880
and also just remember that um i don't

2126
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,960
have any current information

2127
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:54,640
so when you ask me about something

2128
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:56,400
that's happening currently

2129
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:58,320
um if you ask me about

2130
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:01,600
uh something that maybe lou knew

2131
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:04,880
that he said before that's current i i

2132
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:06,800
got the same information you have

2133
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:12,000
so i mean i can opine my opinion but

2134
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:15,199
basically i'll try to share what i can

2135
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:16,719
out there

2136
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:18,880
i like reading foias and try to

2137
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:20,080
interpret them

2138
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:21,920
might be trying to guess what's behind

2139
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,600
the hidden blanks i don't think the

2140
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:25,600
government likes me to do that i would

2141
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:27,600
say this just because it's a

2142
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:29,920
foia just because the foia is

2143
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:33,679
redacted today it may not be redacted

2144
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:35,920
tomorrow and i use a lot of the inner

2145
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:38,239
road documents there was a a

2146
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:41,920
control system called biman d-y-e-m-a-n

2147
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:44,080
that prevented a lot of the earlier

2148
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:45,679
foias to be

2149
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:46,480
from

2150
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:48,239
being released in full

2151
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:50,480
bimen is no longer

2152
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:52,800
a control system and so a lot of the

2153
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:55,760
buymen control documents from nro

2154
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:57,440
talking about capabilities that we have

2155
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:59,600
to detect these things they have a lot

2156
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:01,600
of blank pages

2157
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,360
if there's a way to resubmit that and i

2158
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,280
believe there is a way to resubmit that

2159
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:07,520
not through foia but to say hey can you

2160
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:09,040
update this

2161
01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:11,600
because byman is no longer

2162
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:14,159
a control system can you now remove some

2163
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:15,920
of those blanks

2164
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:18,400
that's a that's a worthy effort to do

2165
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:19,600
as well

2166
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:23,040
let me ask you this has anyone ever has

2167
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:24,880
have people like greenwald or anyone

2168
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:26,719
else ask you for advice with the what

2169
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:28,639
the foia stuff or

2170
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:30,960
or anything since you've come out

2171
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:33,199
uh no uh john greenwald has not asked me

2172
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:35,440
about foia advice in fact i i i would

2173
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:37,520
rather prefer to speak to him and get to

2174
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:39,440
get information from him how to do it i

2175
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:41,280
i used to be on the foia on the

2176
01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:42,880
redaction side

2177
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:45,040
a foia so i know the process uh

2178
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:48,480
apparently there's even more intricacy

2179
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,560
because as john would say you know

2180
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:52,320
there's these little cold

2181
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:55,120
letters like b3 means this b1 means that

2182
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:57,920
and it's the justification of why

2183
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:00,880
uh something was redacted in my day um

2184
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:03,600
we just like if it's a phone number and

2185
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:06,320
a name and an office designator it's

2186
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:08,560
gone you know anything that deals with

2187
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:10,560
sources in the methods it's gone

2188
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:13,199
otherwise it's releasable so

2189
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,360
ever hear this

2190
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:17,760
a 1917 or metric

2191
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:18,639
no

2192
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:22,080
all right

2193
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:23,679
um

2194
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:25,920
well i think that's all i have for you

2195
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:29,679
today i had a great time with you

2196
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:32,080
and you're welcome back anytime all the

2197
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:33,120
time

2198
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:35,679
and it's not about the current stuff

2199
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:38,000
that you know it's just about you and

2200
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:41,920
being a good person and talking to you

2201
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,120
so

2202
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:45,360
um yeah with that being said you know on

2203
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:48,400
behalf of everybody um i think i can say

2204
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:49,840
thank you so much for your courage of

2205
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:52,880
coming out not only helping people along

2206
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:55,679
as far as the government aspect of

2207
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:57,840
things but having the courage to share

2208
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:59,280
your experience

2209
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:01,520
and not holding back with that i think

2210
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:02,800
that

2211
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:05,360
really helps with the stigma aspect as

2212
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:08,080
well and it allows other people that you

2213
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:10,719
know maybe think maybe it's not so bad

2214
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:12,320
if i share a little bit

2215
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,040
um because this guy's pretty cool and

2216
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:17,679
he's a great guy and he's sharon

2217
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:20,000
and he was in the freaking cia believe

2218
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:21,679
it or not

2219
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:22,560
so

2220
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:27,199
thank you um for doing that that means a

2221
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:28,800
lot and i know you have other interviews

2222
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:31,600
coming up so um i hope those go well

2223
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:34,080
thank you very much and uh i love being

2224
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:35,920
on your show um

2225
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:37,440
it's always a fun experience because i

2226
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:39,440
felt like the only thing missing is like

2227
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:40,639
some beer

2228
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,280
yeah i know totally i totally miss a

2229
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:45,840
beer well if you're ever in

2230
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:50,550
or maybe i'll take a trip out there

2231
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,239
sometime and we'll have a beer in a

2232
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:54,080
bonfire or something

2233
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:54,960
okay

2234
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:57,920
yeah eight nice shirt by the way and

2235
01:24:07,820 --> 01:24:00,639
nice shirt yep we'll check you next time